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Offline wilber

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« Reply #495 on: April 10, 2018, 01:50:34 pm »
You know they said just a few days ago that the Keystone spill is twice as big as they originally thought?

So yeah, **** happens.

So let's shut down the existing Trans Mountain. It might leak.
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« Reply #496 on: April 10, 2018, 01:59:20 pm »
So let's shut down the existing Trans Mountain. It might leak.

Now you're catching on!

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« Reply #497 on: April 10, 2018, 02:02:32 pm »
Now you're catching on!

Just make sure you shut down just west of where I live and fill your boots. We've got a tank farm on Sumas mountain that will keep us well supplied, you can just go without.
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« Reply #498 on: April 10, 2018, 03:49:09 pm »
In 78 we moved from Edmonton to Toronto. This was the time when Alberta had the temerity to want world price for its oil, which ended up with Trudeau Sr's NEP that forced them to sell at a discount to the rest of Canada (yes, Americans used to come to BC for gas) and tanked the Alberta industry and economy. Now we are trying to force them to sell at a discount to the US. I remember my Alberta plates getting the finger a few times in Ontario and am not looking forward to getting the same with my BC plates in Alberta. Difference is, this time I think it will be justified.
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« Reply #499 on: April 10, 2018, 03:58:55 pm »
Now you're catching on!
Sure lets do that. And then can also ban tanker traffic into the port of Vancouver and prohibit transport of inflammable goods across the land border. It would chaos be here but I would love to see the eco-nuts and anyone who has any sympathy for them facing the consequences of their ridiculous demands.
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« Reply #500 on: April 10, 2018, 04:04:04 pm »
Sure lets do that. And then can also ban tanker traffic into the port of Vancouver and prohibit transport of inflammable goods across the land border. It would chaos be here but I would love to see the eco-nuts and anyone who has any sympathy for them facing the consequences of their ridiculous demands.

Kind of like junkies. I must have this stuff but I hate you for selling it to me.
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« Reply #501 on: April 10, 2018, 04:44:39 pm »
forced them to sell at a discount to the rest of Canada

Now we are trying to force them to sell at a discount to the US.

Revisionist history. NEP was about building a self sufficient energy economy, and the big problem was the fight over taxation of natural resources. Alberta has been happily selling their product at deep discounts to he US for years however because they have sold out to foreign owners.

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« Reply #502 on: April 10, 2018, 04:52:30 pm »
Revisionist history. NEP was about building a self sufficient energy economy, and the big problem was the fight over taxation of natural resources. Alberta has been happily selling their product at deep discounts to he US for years however because they have sold out to foreign owners.

Not really, Alberta is selling at a discount because they can't get any other markets, which suits the US just fine. They love you guys.


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Alberta GDP was between $60 billion and $80 billion annually through the years of the NEP, 1980 to 1986. While it is unclear whether the estimates took into account the decline in world crude oil prices that began only a few months after the NEP came into force, the graph of long-term oil prices show that prices adjusted for inflation did not drop below pre-1980s levels until 1985. Given that the program was cancelled in 1986, the NEP was active for five years which are amongst the most expensive for oil prices on record and the NEP prevented Alberta's economy from fully realising those prices.[22]


Fluctuations: Oil Prices & Alberta Per Capita Federal Contributions 1975-1981
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In inflation adjusted 2004 dollars, the year the NEP took effect (1980) per capita fiscal contributions by Alberta to the federal government increased 77% over 1979 levels - from $6,578 in 1979 to $11,641 in 1980.[39]:11 In the five years prior to the NEP (1975–1979), the per capita contributions by Alberta had approximated the fluctuations in the price of oil (see graph Fluctuations: Oil Prices & Alberta Per Capita Federal Contributions 1975-1981). In 1980, however, the inflation adjusted average price of oil was only 5% higher than the previous year yet the per capita contributions from Alberta rose 77%[39] (see graph Fluctuations: Oil Prices & Alberta Per Capita Federal Contributions 1975-1981). Again in inflation adjusted 2004 dollars, the year the NEP was terminated (1986) per capita contributions to the federal government by Alberta collapsed to $680, a mere 10% of 1979 levels.[39]

During the NEP years, 1980–1985, only one other province was a net contributor per capita to the federal government. It was Saskatchewan, another oil producer. In 1980 and 1981 Saskatchewan was a net per capita contributor to the federal government with their peak in 1981 at a mere $514 in comparison to Alberta's peak of $12,735 that same year, both values being 2004 inflation adjusted dollars.[39] Thus, during the NEP years from 1980 to 1985 the province of Alberta was the sole overall net contributor to the federal government while all other provinces enjoyed being net recipients.[citation needed]
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« Reply #503 on: April 10, 2018, 04:59:36 pm »
Kind of like junkies. I must have this stuff but I hate you for selling it to me.

So you finally acknowledge the parallels between the fossil-fuel industry and a drug dealer??

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« Reply #504 on: April 10, 2018, 05:01:56 pm »
So you finally acknowledge the parallels between the fossil-fuel industry and a drug dealer??

No, i acknowledge the parallels between fossil fuel consumers and junkies.
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« Reply #505 on: April 10, 2018, 05:02:31 pm »
No, i acknowledge the parallels between fossil fuel consumers and junkies.


Nice backtracking.   :D

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« Reply #506 on: April 10, 2018, 05:24:49 pm »
No, i acknowledge the parallels between fossil fuel consumers and junkies.
A bad analogy. Fossil fuels are more like food. Necessary for living but we have people in society who are cult members that proclaim that eating is a sin and want to prohibit people from eating.

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« Reply #507 on: April 10, 2018, 07:30:01 pm »

Nice backtracking.   :D

Not really, that was my intent.
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« Reply #508 on: April 10, 2018, 09:33:28 pm »
If the mantra is "we all must bear some short-term economic pain for the sake of the environment",  I certainly hope Notley does her best to make sure Vancouver receives its own fair share of that pain. 

Turn off the tap (or, as Wilber suggested a couple of pages back, put 100% bitumen for export through the existing pipeline).   Let Vancouver's construction industry build its skyscrapers with wind-powered cranes and solar-powered bulldozers. Put sails on all those ships, replace all those locomotives with coal-burning steam-engines.  Let the tourists arrive by electric scooter or hang-glider or not at all.

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« Reply #509 on: April 10, 2018, 09:41:08 pm »
The federal Liberals had an emergency cabinet meeting on the subject today.

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“We’ve been saying for the last two days we’re prepared to look at many options and that has not changed,” he said.

“We believe there are many options available to the government of Canada and we’ll examine them all thoroughly. Gotta go,” Carr added as he and McKenna then fled from reporters.

The abrupt end to the news conference with little sign of progress on the file left some scratching their heads.

“The reaction is huh? What did he just say,” quipped B.C.’s Green Party Leader Andrew Weaver, appearing on CTV moments later. “I’m not sure why they called a press conference.”

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/04/10/alberta-says-it-would-consider-buying-the-trans-mountain-pipeline.html

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