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Offline TimG

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« Reply #480 on: April 10, 2018, 10:38:27 am »
what's the 'thug factor' in Kinder Morgan giving a walk-away deadline date?
The project was approved. The BC government is attempting to usurp clear federal authority. The protesters are actually breaking the law. The thugs are the opponents to the pipeline.

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« Reply #481 on: April 10, 2018, 10:42:53 am »
The project was approved. The BC government is attempting to usurp clear federal authority. The protesters are actually breaking the law. The thugs are the opponents to the pipeline.

what's the 'thug factor' in Kinder Morgan presuming to circumvent further (intended) BC provincial government legal recourse?

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« Reply #482 on: April 10, 2018, 10:49:40 am »
what's the 'thug factor' in Kinder Morgan giving a walk-away deadline date?

What’s thuggish about saying we are done spending years billions in an excercise in futility? Cutting your losses is part the of business.
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« Reply #483 on: April 10, 2018, 10:57:29 am »
What’s thuggish about saying we are done spending years billions in an excercise in futility? Cutting your losses is part the of business.

what's the 'thug factor' in Kinder Morgan working to secure project equity positions from both the Alberta and Federal governments? Or is that just 'risk mitigation'?

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« Reply #484 on: April 10, 2018, 11:02:32 am »
what's the 'thug factor' in Kinder Morgan presuming to circumvent further (intended) BC provincial government legal recourse?
The BC government is simply abusing the court system to cause financial pain to the KM in the hopes that KM will give up. KM is simply saying that it will not put up with such bully tactics. It is simply absurd to suggest there is a legitimate question of provincial authority to discuss.

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« Reply #485 on: April 10, 2018, 11:21:51 am »
what's the 'thug factor' in Kinder Morgan working to secure project equity positions from both the Alberta and Federal governments? Or is that just 'risk mitigation'?

What is the thug factor? As a British Columbian I would be happy to see those governments involved. Not only would it spread the liability if there is a spill and encourage those governments to make sure things are done right, it would provide revenue to those governments. KM builds pipelines because they make money.

Right now it is all their money and they can pick up their chips, go home and never try to do a project in Canada again.
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« Reply #486 on: April 10, 2018, 11:28:21 am »
The BC government is simply abusing the court system to cause financial pain to the KM in the hopes that KM will give up. KM is simply saying that it will not put up with such bully tactics. It is simply absurd to suggest there is a legitimate question of provincial authority to discuss.

what is the 'thug factor' in member TimG presuming to question the legitimacy of further legal challenges and related court processing/outcomes

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There are still a number of other legal decisions pending on the pipeline — including a review by the Court of Appeal of the decision by federal cabinet to approve the pipeline and a review by B.C.'s highest court of the decision by its former provincial government to approve the pipeline.

B.C. Premier John Horgan has also asked for a legal ruling on whether his province can restrict increased amounts of oil from coming into B.C. while his government reviews oil-spill safety measures.

Kinder Morgan has announced it is focused on obtaining permits along the pipeline route to the West Coast before ramping up to full construction on the project as it continues to fight another court challenge, which is aimed at the original NEB approval for the pipeline.

A case is still before the courts brought by a coalition of First Nations and environmental groups, along with the cities of Vancouver and Burnaby that is fighting the legitimacy of the NEB process in its entirety. A decision in that case is expected soon.

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« Reply #487 on: April 10, 2018, 11:49:02 am »
what is the 'thug factor' in member TimG presuming to question the legitimacy of further legal challenges and related court processing/outcomes

KM has said they are not willing to proceed under a cloud of perpetual legal challenges. That is perfectly reasonable. The three governments need to get together and come to an agreement on questions to put before the SC, under a signed agreement that the SC decision will be binding, with no further legal action being allowed by any of the parties.

Right now we are saying to the world. Come to Canada, we will make you go through years of our approval process, spend upwards of a billion dollars and when it gets approved, we won't let you build it anyway. Not only that but Justin's new fuzzy, muddleheaded approval process that gives input to everyone including your second cousin's third aunt is going to make it even more difficult. How do you like us so far?

What company in its right mind would bother when after all that, a few protestors and a single provincial election makes it all a waste of time and money.

Unless we can come up with a process that companies can have confidence in, Canada is going to have big problems whether this particular project goes through or not.

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« Reply #488 on: April 10, 2018, 12:11:10 pm »
Unless we can come up with a process that companies can have confidence in, Canada is going to have big problems whether this particular project goes through or not.

We have had centuries of corporations raping a pillaging the environment, and leaving the taxpayer to clean up their mess. No more.
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« Reply #489 on: April 10, 2018, 12:20:57 pm »
We have had centuries of corporations raping a pillaging the environment, and leaving the taxpayer to clean up their mess. No more.

Yep. Just look at the billions,(close to 10) that Alberta had/has to pay to clean up guess what....abandoned oil wells.

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« Reply #490 on: April 10, 2018, 12:22:56 pm »
We have had centuries of corporations raping a pillaging the environment, and leaving the taxpayer to clean up their mess. No more.

Go back to your cave, I'll donate some flints and a stone axe.
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« Reply #491 on: April 10, 2018, 12:24:08 pm »
Yep. Just look at the billions,(close to 10) that Alberta had/has to pay to clean up guess what....abandoned oil wells.

Those are things you can address in the approval of future projects.
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« Reply #492 on: April 10, 2018, 12:26:04 pm »
Go back to your cave, I'll donate some flints and a stone axe.

What an ignorant statement. I am not advocating regression of civilization, your buddy in crime here is the one doing that. I am asking for corporations to take responsibility, and as centuries track record have proven they will not do so then we need to enforce that through legislation.

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« Reply #493 on: April 10, 2018, 12:32:29 pm »
What an ignorant statement. I am not advocating regression of civilization, your buddy in crime here is the one doing that. I am asking for corporations to take responsibility, and as centuries track record have proven they will not do so then we need to enforce that through legislation.

I don't disagree with that, so let's make that happen instead of just saying no. Horgan should be putting pressure on to address those very things. Murphy's law says, if something can go wrong, it will go wrong. You make progress by eliminating the "can's" so let's do that instead of this all or nothing position that will leave BC with no bargaining position at all if it loses and be very destructive to further development of our economy even if it wins.
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« Reply #494 on: April 10, 2018, 01:47:14 pm »
How do you get out of bed in the morning?

You know they said just a few days ago that the Keystone spill is twice as big as they originally thought?

So yeah, **** happens.