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« Reply #450 on: April 04, 2018, 12:00:20 pm »
The Liberals would love to see the NDP's vote split.

Precisely my point, that's the leverage the Greens have on Horgan.

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« Reply #451 on: April 04, 2018, 12:01:00 pm »
If anyone thought taxes wouldn't go up with all the promises the NDP was making, they were also delusional.
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« Reply #452 on: April 04, 2018, 12:02:37 pm »
Precisely my point, that's the leverage the Greens have on Horgan.

Well so far Horgan has been calling his bluff and all he has done is winge.
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« Reply #453 on: April 04, 2018, 12:06:52 pm »
Well so far Horgan has been calling his bluff and all he has done is winge.

Let's see if he'll call his bluff in the fall if the referendum doesn't come through.  It's April already and Weaver is certainly tweeting like he's campaigning.

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« Reply #454 on: April 04, 2018, 12:39:23 pm »
Let's see if he'll call his bluff in the fall if the referendum doesn't come through.  It's April already and Weaver is certainly tweeting like he's campaigning.

Yes, We'll see.
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« Reply #455 on: April 09, 2018, 01:00:11 am »
Kinder Morgan came over to play after school, but the siblings at the house are fighting and the parents aren't doing enough to stop it, so KM is packing their marbles and threatening to go home unless the kids stop fighting.

Will mom and dad intervene and give a time out?  Will one of the kids bully the other one into getting their way?

I guess we'll know by May 31st.

 

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« Reply #456 on: April 09, 2018, 01:25:23 am »
Justin Trudeau and Jim Carr continue to state that "the pipeline will be built", but have done nothing to actually help that happen.  The imposition of a deadline might put pressure on them to actually do something.

Jim Carr was today pleading with Horgan to stop filing more court challenges.  I am skeptical that this will be an effective strategy.


I recall that people who file some excessive number of nuisance lawsuits can be declared a "vexatious litigant" and barred from filing further lawsuits. I wonder if the entire government of BC could be declared a "vexatious litigant".


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« Reply #457 on: April 09, 2018, 01:37:00 am »
Kinder Morgan came over to play after school, but the siblings at the house are fighting and the parents aren't doing enough to stop it, so KM is packing their marbles and threatening to go home unless the kids stop fighting.
And Notley has announced that the Alberta government will become a equity partner to keep the project going so the only question is whether "papa" Trudeau has the guts to tell the spoiled brat of confederation that they have an obligation to consider the good of family and further self centered tantrums will not be tolerated.
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« Reply #458 on: April 09, 2018, 08:58:41 am »
KM is putting on the pressure. BC, get ready for $2 a litre gas or maybe even shortages.
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« Reply #459 on: April 09, 2018, 11:00:52 am »
Justin Trudeau and Jim Carr continue to state that "the pipeline will be built", but have done nothing to actually help that happen.  The imposition of a deadline might put pressure on them to actually do something.

Jim Carr was today pleading with Horgan to stop filing more court challenges.  I am skeptical that this will be an effective strategy.


I recall that people who file some excessive number of nuisance lawsuits can be declared a "vexatious litigant" and barred from filing further lawsuits. I wonder if the entire government of BC could be declared a "vexatious litigant".


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The Feds could suspend transfer payments and if Horgan doesn't like it, he can go to court. He likes courts.
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Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #460 on: April 09, 2018, 12:55:42 pm »
Deleted.  I regret my wording.
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« Reply #461 on: April 09, 2018, 01:11:28 pm »
Oh come on, can you be any more melodramatic!  If the feds stop equalization payments, BC can stop collecting federal income tax and GST but neither scenario is going to happen because unlike this dispute where the province and municipalities feel they have a case about controlling their water, equalization payments and income/sales taxes are enacted very specifically.

Why do you think Trudeau keeps saying the pipeline will be built but letting BC and AB duke it out?  He knows it's not black or white.

BC doesn't collect Federal income tax, the Feds collect BC income tax. The Feds could change the collection of GST by just telling businesses to mail them the check directly.

I'm not being melodramatic, Alberta feels it has been pushed to the wall. So far it has been just a war of words and lawyers but if it goes beyond that, Alberta will hit as hard as it can. I would.

Consider this. The existing trans mountain ships about 300,000 barrels a day, about 80,000 of that is dilbit for export. The rest is a mixture of refined products and conventional crude for the Port Moody refinery. All they have to do is go 100% dilbit and not only would BC not get the refined products, the Port Moody refinery would have nothing to refine. The full 300,000 barrels could be converted to dilbit, quadrupling exports with the existing pipeline.

Will things get this stupid? I wouldn't have thought so but now I wouldn't be surprised.

BTW, why aren't you pissed off at the fact Vancouver is the largest coal shipping port in North America?
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Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #462 on: April 09, 2018, 01:20:04 pm »
Spilt dilbit is a bizillion times harder to clean up than coal.

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« Reply #463 on: April 09, 2018, 01:23:33 pm »
Spilt dilbit is a bizillion times harder to clean up than coal.

So don't spill it.
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« Reply #464 on: April 09, 2018, 01:23:59 pm »
Here is something you don't often read on these threads:

I totally messed up.  I was completely wrong and pretty much immediately deleted my post and saying I regret my wording.  I've been making payments to CRA for 20 years, if anyone should know better, it's me. 

I also regret calling you melodramatic, but equalization payments are written into the constitution and I don't think that level of escalation is needed for what is essentially a legal dispute.  You say it's cut and dry, some legal experts disagree. 

Basically my point was that we're still part of the country and intertwined.  Just because we come across disagreements, it doesn't mean a fundamental constitutional agreement should be broken. 

I also think your argument about the status quo is irrelevant.  Just because people don't protest the status quo doesn't mean they should be ok with a massive expansion.

Completely flawed logic.