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« Reply #435 on: April 01, 2018, 05:27:29 pm »
Yet they have only had one government defeat by non-confidence motion in 70 years.

Yeah, but that's because the mainline parties, atm and for some time that's Likud, have prostituted themselves to the small, religious parties. Those tiny parties represent only a fraction of the population but they wield sufficient power to push through some of the most draconian legislation and to basically prevent any real peace initiatives.
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« Reply #436 on: April 01, 2018, 05:30:18 pm »
I don't think that regions used for % cutoff should be provinces, because many provinces don't have enough seats (ie. PEI has only 4 seats, and in fact 1 seat is way out of proportion to population). If there are to be multiple regions (ie. not just entirety of Canada) then it should be fairly large regions so the % cutoff has some meaning. One example would be 3 regions (west, Ontario, Quebec+east - territories would be lumped with either west or east or possible divided between them).

By provinces I meant provincial legislatures. A couple of the provinces, for example, have more than 10% native population. Maybe the natives want their own party. I can see why but I can also see that not being good for the province's unity.
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« Reply #437 on: April 02, 2018, 09:11:57 am »
Yet they have only had one government defeat by non-confidence motion in 70 years.

And what do you think the odds are of a real resolution to the Palestinian issue with so many different factions to satisfy?
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« Reply #438 on: April 02, 2018, 09:27:11 am »
And what do you think the odds are of a real resolution to the Palestinian issue with so many different factions to satisfy?

Like Canada with it's FPTP system can resolve many controversial issues like abortion, constitutional reform, drugs, guns, etc.

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« Reply #439 on: April 02, 2018, 09:44:33 am »
Like Canada with it's FPTP system can resolve many controversial issues like abortion, constitutional reform, drugs, guns, etc.

Major constitutional reform needs the consent of many governments although it has been tinkered with on minor points involving individual provinces, like changing Newfoundland’s name to include Labrador. When it comes to the others, they have the ability but not the will.

I think there are drawbacks to both systems.
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« Reply #440 on: April 03, 2018, 07:27:58 pm »
Trouble in paradise continues. Weaver just tweeted that BCNDP are flip side of the same coin!

How exciting. Like a high school girl mad at her bff on Facebook.

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« Reply #441 on: April 03, 2018, 07:52:51 pm »
Poor baby. He has three seats and is not some kind of equal in this government.
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« Reply #442 on: April 03, 2018, 08:54:03 pm »
Without those 3 seats Christie Clark would be premier, so I'd say quality counts over quantity on this one.

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« Reply #443 on: April 03, 2018, 10:03:49 pm »
Without those 3 seats Christie Clark would be premier, so I'd say quality counts over quantity on this one.

The point is Weaver isn’t premier.  His party didn’t earn the right to govern.
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« Reply #444 on: April 04, 2018, 11:03:05 am »
The point is Weaver isn’t premier.  His party didn’t earn the right to govern.

That's YOUR point.  Mine was that Horgan wouldn't be premier either without him, so whether or not you admit it, he does hold a lot of power over the government.

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« Reply #445 on: April 04, 2018, 11:26:02 am »
That's YOUR point.  Mine was that Horgan wouldn't be premier either without him, so whether or not you admit it, he does hold a lot of power over the government.

Not as much as you seem to think. He can't bring the government down without shooting himself in the foot. The next government would likely be a majority for one side or the other and he would be out in the cold again. His only other option might be to join the Liberals, assuming they would still want to form a coalition with the Greens.
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« Reply #446 on: April 04, 2018, 11:30:23 am »
Not as much as you seem to think. He can't bring the government down without shooting himself in the foot. The next government would likely be a majority for one side or the other and he would be out in the cold again. His only other option might be to join the Liberals, assuming they would still want to form a coalition with the Greens.

Which means he doesn't have much to lose either.  Essentially, him and Horgan both have a lot of leverage and lots to lose at the same time which does make him more powerful than the mere 3 seats which you brought up earlier.

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« Reply #447 on: April 04, 2018, 11:47:08 am »
Which means he doesn't have much to lose either.  Essentially, him and Horgan both have a lot of leverage and lots to lose at the same time which does make him more powerful than the mere 3 seats which you brought up earlier.

He has a lot to lose. This is the closest the Greens will come to having any power for the foreseeable future. If the government falls and there is another election, Horgan could wind up premier without Weaver. Of course he could always always lose but either way, Weaver would likely be be SOL.
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« Reply #448 on: April 04, 2018, 11:54:24 am »
He has a lot to lose. This is the closest the Greens will come to having any power for the foreseeable future. If the government falls and there is another election, Horgan could wind up premier without Weaver. Of course he could always always lose but either way, Weaver would likely be be SOL.

There are a lot of disgruntled NDP voters like me and I don't think Horgan has won over too many Liberal supporters with all his taxes. 

Weaver's support is now at 22% (27% in January) which could cause a serious  upset depending on how the vote-splitting goes.

Neither you nor I can predict what will happen but the Greens are making serious gains in BC.  You're downplaying their potential.

https://www.straight.com/news/1046371/bc-liberals-trail-ruling-new-democrats-new-poll

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« Reply #449 on: April 04, 2018, 11:58:11 am »
There are a lot of disgruntled NDP voters like me and I don't think Horgan has won over too many Liberal supporters with all his taxes. 

Weaver's support is now at 22% (27% in January) which could cause a serious  upset depending on how the vote-splitting goes.

Neither you nor I can predict what will happen but the Greens are making serious gains in BC.  You're downplaying their potential.

https://www.straight.com/news/1046371/bc-liberals-trail-ruling-new-democrats-new-poll

If people think taxes will go down with the Greens, they are dreaming. The Liberals would love to see the NDP's vote split.
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