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Offline ?Impact

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« Reply #390 on: March 31, 2018, 01:27:07 pm »
A cheap stunt which she called all the media about beforehand to make sure they were present and it impresses you?

Yes it was a cheap stunt, and got far more attention to the issue that spending bizillioins of tax dollars, like conservatives always seem to do.

I wonder who the real low intellect are?
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« Reply #391 on: March 31, 2018, 01:36:06 pm »
Yes it was a cheap stunt, and got far more attention to the issue that spending bizillioins of tax dollars, like conservatives always seem to do.

I wonder who the real low intellect are?

 ??? Whatever that's supposed to mean.
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« Reply #392 on: March 31, 2018, 01:39:42 pm »
So let's plan for a future without and continue expanding for now?
The issue is absurd hypocrisy of these so called environmentalists. They know they can't trash the BC economy because they would lose all political support (look how Weaver caved on LNG). So instead they bully Alberta and try to screw the Alberta economy while expecting Alberta and Alaska to continue to supply them with the fossil fuels needed to keep the BC economy going. These kinds of 'screw your neighbors and friends' tactics is one of the reasons why I despite Trump and in the long run will leave BC much worse off.

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« Reply #393 on: March 31, 2018, 02:10:47 pm »
The issue is absurd hypocrisy of these so called environmentalists. They know they can't trash the BC economy because they would lose all political support (look how Weaver caved on LNG). So instead they bully Alberta and try to screw the Alberta economy while expecting Alberta and Alaska to continue to supply them with the fossil fuels needed to keep the BC economy going. These kinds of 'screw your neighbors and friends' tactics is one of the reasons why I despite Trump and in the long run will leave BC much worse off.

I was reading in the Vancouver Sun that Weaver is ready to pull the plug over LNG but it would be bad politics for him because he needs that referendum in the future for proportional representation.

At this point I think it’s a long term strategy. He can get more done in the future in he hangs in there for a while.

I certainly hope he doesn’t think so short term.

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« Reply #394 on: March 31, 2018, 02:27:18 pm »
At this point I think it’s a long term strategy.

Nothing wrong with long term strategies. If you mislead your supporters about your strategy however that is a problem. His "for now" regarding taking down the government does say that he is looking at longer term issues so I wouldn't say he is misleading anyone at the moment.
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« Reply #395 on: March 31, 2018, 02:38:01 pm »
The rub with long term strategies is things change.
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« Reply #396 on: March 31, 2018, 03:01:04 pm »
A cheap stunt which she called all the media about beforehand to make sure they were present and it impresses you?

Likely trying to direct any and all attention away from the abuse allegations she found herself under in January.

But all you have to do is get her drunk and she will give you a piece of her mind!  ;D
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« Reply #397 on: March 31, 2018, 03:16:42 pm »
Yes it was a cheap stunt, and got far more attention to the issue that spending bizillioins of tax dollars, like conservatives always seem to do.

I wonder who the real low intellect are?

You and her, impressed by what even you acknowledge is a cheap stunt while fantasizing about conservatives somehow spending 'bizillions' of tax dollars.
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« Reply #398 on: March 31, 2018, 03:19:28 pm »
The issue is absurd hypocrisy of these so called environmentalists. They know they can't trash the BC economy because they would lose all political support (look how Weaver caved on LNG).

Not all. The zealots would be overjoyed as they lined up for the jam packed electric bus that tripled their time to work, and washed their clothes and dishes in the bathtub.  As for all those unemployed, hey, not their problem. Few of them ever worked for a living anyway.
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« Reply #399 on: March 31, 2018, 03:27:33 pm »
The pipeline is going through because it has to. Anyone who can't accept that is a moron.

Few of them ever worked for a living anyway.

Yawn, must be cloudy in Ottawa today.
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« Reply #400 on: March 31, 2018, 03:37:01 pm »
At this point I think it’s a long term strategy. He can get more done in the future in he hangs in there for a while.
IOW, he is hoping the voters of BC will be stupid enough to give his party of zealots the power to dictate policy that suits the desires of the tiny minority of BC voters represented by that party. You are actually making my point about how BC residents have no interest in stopping fossil fuel expansion as long as they think it benefits them.  If Hogan gets away with subsidizing the CO2 emissions for LNG you can bet Kenny will do the same for the oil sands and Trudeau's 'national carbon tax scheme' will go down in flames.

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« Reply #401 on: March 31, 2018, 04:58:44 pm »
IOW, he is hoping the voters of BC will be stupid enough to give his party of zealots the power to dictate policy that suits the desires of the tiny minority of BC voters represented by that party. You are actually making my point about how BC residents have no interest in stopping fossil fuel expansion as long as they think it benefits them.  If Hogan gets away with subsidizing the CO2 emissions for LNG you can bet Kenny will do the same for the oil sands and Trudeau's 'national carbon tax scheme' will go down in flames.

Meh, if they really are a tiny fraction, you need not worry.  I think your worry is that PR will eliminate strategic voting and all of a sudden you'll learn that it's NOT a 'tiny fraction' that supports the Green agenda.  Could that be your worry?  That the wishes of British Columbians who disagree with you will finally hold some power? 

You think it's unfair for anyone who disagrees with you to have as much power as people support them, but you find it fair that 60% of us have to put up with government that doesn't represent us?   

You have no idea what fair means.
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« Reply #402 on: March 31, 2018, 05:09:05 pm »
I think your worry is that PR will eliminate strategic voting and all of a sudden you'll learn that it's NOT a 'tiny fraction' that supports the Green agenda.
Ah no. If the greens had that much support they would have replaced the NDP like the Liberals replaced the Socreds.

The issue is our current model forces governments to government for the benefit of *all* citizens whether they voted for the party or not. That is why Horgan reversed himself on issues like SiteC and LNG. PR gives too much power to parties that have no obligation or incentive to consider what is best for the province since they only need to please the 5-10% of the electorate that voted for them. This will lead to worse governance for the majority of people who sit in the middle even if the fringes are happy because the tail gets to wag the dog.

Fair means: 10% of the population should not get to dictate policies. If Weaver thinks PR would allow him to stop LNG then he believes this too.
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« Reply #403 on: March 31, 2018, 05:18:02 pm »
Fair means: 10% of the population should not get to dictate policies.

With PR, 10% would never get the power to dictate policies. They would have 10% of the power - period. You prefer a system where 35% gets 100% of the power.
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« Reply #404 on: March 31, 2018, 06:34:45 pm »
With PR, 10% would never get the power to dictate policies. They would have 10% of the power - period. You prefer a system where 35% gets 100% of the power.
Only someone who has no clue how the dynamics of minority governments work. In every system with PR you either have the two major center parties in a coalition or you have the largest or second largest party propped up by minority parties. This gives minority parties way more power than they deserve. We don't need government policy driven by the needs to narrow minded single interest parties like the greens. We want parties that represent the interests of the majority of the population and that is what we have now.
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