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« Reply #360 on: March 29, 2018, 12:59:13 am »
Trudeau has effectively killed the NGP and also brought in national carbon taxes.

His compromise to allow a twinning of an existing pipeline which has lots of approval from First Nations is an effective compromise.

Horgan wants to subsidize one of the largest carbon emitters in BC history but that’s just A ok?


Whatever dazzling point you had to make went right out the window when you followed it up with this:


As I have stated before: you’re insane.  You are the opposite of a Trump supporter and I do not mean that in a positive way at all.

Just a left wingy chaos crazy rather than a right wingy chaos crazy.

Did you seriously mistake me for someone who gives a **** what you think of me? 

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« Reply #361 on: March 29, 2018, 01:04:36 am »
I live in a urban area. Buses near my house run once 10-15 mins and the system needs subsidies. Paid taxis take about the same. I find it implausible that any company could guarantee a pickup anywhere within 10-15 mins anytime but it will come down to a cost vs. convenience equation. i.e. faster service means more cost which will mean there will likely be a point where a personal vehicle will continue to be more economic depending on how much inconvenience a person is willing to put up with.

This whole argument is so stupid, what is the relevance really?  So we can't oppose a 7x expansion in bitumen in our waters unless we live a zero carbon footprint lifestyle?




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« Reply #362 on: March 29, 2018, 01:08:03 am »
Yes, better that Alberta be perpetually in the hands of the Conservatives than an NDP Premier who fails the NDP Purity Test.

"The left eat their own", as somebody put it.

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I like my fossil-fuel industry champions to be authentic.  What can I say?

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« Reply #363 on: March 29, 2018, 01:19:53 am »
Charging times are a limitation of the grid and physics - not the battery.

I don't see fast charge being available for home, so I agree with your 24kVA limit there.

We are well past the days of your local service station, I expect all fast charge stations will have 347/600 volt service and 600 amp, or possibly 1200. Phase balance for charging is not really a difficult technical issue, so that leaves us with the grid issue of preventing brownouts, but planning will be a big help there. I could also see signaling technology being developed if this becomes a big market (e.g. I will draw x amps in y seconds), which may not even add those seconds to you charge time because we already have several seconds to connect. Finally of course, if super capacitor technology delivers then the charge station will be a perfect fit.

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« Reply #364 on: March 29, 2018, 02:02:55 am »
If nuclear fusion becomes a reality, some significant portion of the enviro-weenies will still oppose it because atoms are bad.

And if a car that generates zero C02 emissions and runs on 100% renewable resources became available, some portion of the enviro-weenies would still oppose it, because roads blah-blah-blah urban sprawl blah-blah over-consumption, blah blah not everybody can afford cars, blah-blah, unsustainability, blah blah blah blah blah.

Some portion of these people are just Luddites who would be happier if we were all subsistence-level hunter-gatherers living in caves and trying to figure out whether rocks are edible.

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What exactly is the relevance here?  So what if we can never please everyone?

Fact is, the province is virtually split on the KM project and it doesn't matter if 2% will never be happy, you can't use that small % as the reason to discredit close to 50% of sane, every-day, tax-paying, normal people as some kind of crazy 'luddite'.

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« Reply #365 on: March 29, 2018, 02:48:02 am »
Fact is, the province is virtually split on the KM project and it doesn't matter if 2% will never be happy, you can't use that small % as the reason to discredit close to 50% of sane, every-day, tax-paying, normal people as some kind of crazy 'luddite'.

Abacas Data online survey - February 26 - March 6:



METHODOLOGY

Our survey was conducted online with 900 BC residents aged 18 and over from February 26 to March 6, 2018. A random sample of panelists was invited to complete the survey from a set of partner panels based on the Lucid exchange platform. These partners are typically double opt-in survey panels, blended to manage out potential skews in the data from a single source.

The Marketing Research and Intelligence Association policy limits statements about margins of sampling error for most online surveys. The margin of error for a comparable probability-based random sample of the same size is +/- 3.3%, 19 times out of 20.

The data were weighted according to census data to ensure that the sample matched BC’s population according to age, gender, educational attainment, and region. Totals may not add up to 100 due to rounding.

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« Reply #366 on: March 29, 2018, 08:24:00 am »
Whatever dazzling point you had to make went right out the window when you followed it up with this:


Did you seriously mistake me for someone who gives a **** what you think of me?

No mistake.

As I have said: you are insane like a Trump supporter who doubles and then triples down. 

Again, a pox on you and a pox on them (which in this case are Kenney/Ford/Scheer supporters). 



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« Reply #367 on: March 29, 2018, 08:26:17 am »
We are well past the days of your local service station, I expect all fast charge stations will have 347/600 volt service and 600 amp, or possibly 1200. Phase balance for charging is not really a difficult technical issue, so that leaves us with the grid issue of preventing brownouts, but planning will be a big help there. I could also see signaling technology being developed if this becomes a big market (e.g. I will draw x amps in y seconds), which may not even add those seconds to you charge time because we already have several seconds to connect. Finally of course, if super capacitor technology delivers then the charge station will be a perfect fit.
Can you give any example of the government successfully building a large scale infrastructure project in the last 50 years? The only thing that comes close is the TransCanada Highway but that was over 50 years ago. EVs will fail without massive grid upgrades and there is no reason to believe the necessary upgrades are remotely plausible in this country given the insane regulatory process today. This makes any discussion of widespread EV deployment a purely academic exercise.

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« Reply #368 on: March 29, 2018, 11:06:51 am »
Abacas Data online survey - February 26 - March 6:


METHODOLOGY

Our survey was conducted online with 900 BC residents aged 18 and over from February 26 to March 6, 2018. A random sample of panelists was invited to complete the survey from a set of partner panels based on the Lucid exchange platform. These partners are typically double opt-in survey panels, blended to manage out potential skews in the data from a single source.

The Marketing Research and Intelligence Association policy limits statements about margins of sampling error for most online surveys. The margin of error for a comparable probability-based random sample of the same size is +/- 3.3%, 19 times out of 20.

The data were weighted according to census data to ensure that the sample matched BC’s population according to age, gender, educational attainment, and region. Totals may not add up to 100 due to rounding.



Here are two other polls from September and February that say otherwise:

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/british-columbians-still-split-on-kinder-morgan-pipeline-expansion-poll

http://www.news1130.com/2017/09/14/british-columbians-divided-trans-mountain/


Not that your post refuted the actual point that I was making. 

It's ridiculous to bring up 1% of people who will never be happy in a discussion where opposition to a pipeline is actually much higher. 

So what if you can't please everyone, how is that even relevant to a discussion where we're NOT talking just 1% of people.

Refute that part of my post next time.

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« Reply #369 on: March 29, 2018, 11:10:34 am »
No mistake.

As I have said: you are insane like a Trump supporter who doubles and then triples down. 

Again, a pox on you and a pox on them (which in this case are Kenney/Ford/Scheer supporters).

Let's see.  Hmmm. 

Nope, still don't give a **** what you think.

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« Reply #370 on: March 29, 2018, 11:25:13 am »
Looking at the 3 polls cited above, I would conclude that slowly people are beginning to accept the KM pipeline expansion as inevitable. Those living closest to the pipeline are the ones with the strongest opposition.

EVs will fail without massive grid upgrades and there is no reason to believe the necessary upgrades are remotely plausible in this country given the insane regulatory process today.

Yes, the glass is half empty, and there is nothing I can do to change your interpretation of the results.

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« Reply #371 on: March 29, 2018, 11:37:42 am »
Looking at the 3 polls cited above, I would conclude that slowly people are beginning to accept the KM pipeline expansion as inevitable. Those living closest to the pipeline are the ones with the strongest opposition.

I've known it was inevitable for a long time. 




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« Reply #372 on: March 29, 2018, 03:29:04 pm »
I've known it was inevitable for a long time.

Yet not even a peep from you about Horgan selling out on LNG.

Hmm, isn't that interesting. 
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« Reply #373 on: March 29, 2018, 03:30:57 pm »
Let's see.  Hmmm. 

Nope, still don't give a **** what you think.

Of course not.  Just like the "deplorables" in the USA don't care that they are deplorable.
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« Reply #374 on: March 29, 2018, 03:50:27 pm »
Yet not even a peep from you about Horgan selling out on LNG.

Hmm, isn't that interesting.

I already did give you a peep and I'm not voting for Horgan again so shove it, troll.