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« Reply #285 on: March 27, 2018, 06:08:15 pm »
23,000 signatures out of 4.8 million. Also a little short of the 700,000 who signed the anti HST petition.
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« Reply #286 on: March 27, 2018, 06:16:23 pm »
23,000 are part of the ‘whatever it takes’ group.  In the poll 48% disapprove vs 44% who approve. Geographically I would think the supporters are less likely to be Liberal supporters anyway.

This will hurt Trudeau in the Lower Mainland where he got 8/13 seats and rightfully so.   

Though I’m guessing that should make you happy, Wilber.

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« Reply #287 on: March 27, 2018, 06:21:28 pm »
23,000 are part of the ‘whatever it takes’ group.  In the poll 48% disapprove vs 44% who approve. Geographically I would think the supporters are less likely to be Liberal supporters anyway.

This will hurt Trudeau in the Lower Mainland where he got 8/13 seats and rightfully so.   

Though I’m guessing that should make you happy, Wilber.



The 700,000 wasn't a poll, it was actual witnessed signatures.

Seems like you are more upset at Trudeau than I am.

Vancouver isn't Canada or BC, it is only Vancouver.

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« Reply #288 on: March 27, 2018, 06:26:33 pm »
I'm not exactly hiding my disdain for Trudeau, I've never really been a fan to begin with and anyone who is familiar with posts knows that.  It's about the only thing I have in common with Conservatives.

I also have no idea what your point is comparing the number of people who voted in a referendum on sales-tax with a group dedicated to civil disobedience, but I'm sure you're making sense in your head.




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« Reply #289 on: March 27, 2018, 06:28:56 pm »

I also have no idea what your point is comparing the number of people who voted in a referendum on sales-tax with a group dedicated to civil disobedience, but I'm sure you're making sense in your head.

I think I addressed that in my last statement.
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« Reply #290 on: March 27, 2018, 06:35:25 pm »
I think I addressed that in my last statement.

Not really.  Here let me help you out...

A democratic referendum on sales-tax was put forth by a provincial government wherein the wishes of the voters was respected and the government reversed its position on harmonized sales-tax. 

The results of which pertain to a group dedicated to civil disobedience on the Kinder Morgan TMP Expansion because                       (now you fill in the blank).


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« Reply #291 on: March 27, 2018, 06:52:25 pm »
Not really.  Here let me help you out...

A democratic referendum on sales-tax was put forth by a provincial government wherein the wishes of the voters was respected and the government reversed its position on harmonized sales-tax. 

The results of which pertain to a group dedicated to civil disobedience on the Kinder Morgan TMP Expansion because                       (now you fill in the blank).

The HST referendum was the result of enough British Columbians signing a petition to require the government to hold a referendum. The government had no choice.

You are right, there is no relationship.
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« Reply #292 on: March 27, 2018, 06:59:40 pm »
The HST referendum was the result of enough British Columbians signing a petition to require the government to hold a referendum. The government had no choice.

You are right, there is no relationship.

Oh ok. 

Hey!  Remember when Harper decided to lower the GST from 7% to 5%?  Yeah, no relevance to this discussion but I felt like bringing it up.
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« Reply #293 on: March 27, 2018, 07:09:38 pm »
Oh ok. 

Hey!  Remember when Harper decided to lower the GST from 7% to 5%?  Yeah, no relevance to this discussion but I felt like bringing it up.

OK, whatever.
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« Reply #294 on: March 27, 2018, 08:19:20 pm »
I didn’t catch that in yesterday’s news.

I knew it’d get built one way or another but I hope to see Notley and Trudeau get booted for it and get replaced by some real progressive leaders.

Shame on both of them.

That's just delusional.

When Notley gets booted, you don't get a "real progressive", you get Jason Kenney.

Notley has brought in an Alberta carbon tax, a cap on oilsands emissions, and a plan to phase out coal and implement renewables. She did this with the idea that if Alberta took steps on CO2 and coal and a carbon tax, the federal government and the other provinces and the enviro-weenies would be more willing to cooperate on pipelines.  Her opponents and critics said "that's a stupid idea, those people will never cooperate regardless how much CO2 you cut or how many windmills and solar panels you put up."

Unfortunately, Horgan and friends are proving that her opponents and critics were correct.

The first thing Kenney will do when he becomes premier next year is to tear up Notley's environmental efforts. He'll call them "an expensive failure that did nothing to get the pipelines built."

Rachel Notley has championed these environmental actions, as well as a socially progressive agenda that has met strong resistance in Alberta... but I guess she's not a "real progressive" because she understands that Alberta's primary export has to get to its customers.   ::)

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« Reply #295 on: March 27, 2018, 08:37:33 pm »
I'm not delusional, you lack reading comprehension (not in general about about my post which you quoted). 

I have no expectations that Trudeau and Notley would be replaced NEXT YEAR by 'real progressives'.  It'll be Scheer and Kenney, obviously. 

I'm hoping that while they're on the side lines they get replaced by 'real progressives' in their own parties (hence where I said they get replaced by real progressive *leaders*) and maybe next time around 'real progressive' leaders learn from these two flash in pans about screwing over their base.

Notley was never an NDP as far as I'm concerned but I have no horse in the game with her.  No matter who runs Alberta it'll be the same **** different pile as we've come to see.  I'll just toast her goodbye because she doesn't deserve the NDP name.

Trudeau was the one that disappointed me more and a swift kick to the behind to him will serve him right too.  Like I've said before Liberals are just Conservatives who go to gay parades.

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« Reply #296 on: March 27, 2018, 08:49:19 pm »
I'm hoping that while they're on the side lines they get replaced by 'real progressives' in their own parties (hence where I said they get replaced by real progressive *leaders*) and maybe next time around 'real progressive' leaders learn from these two flash in pans about screwing over their base.

If you're hoping that the Alberta NDP choose a leader who opposes pipelines, you're essentially hoping for the Alberta NDP to condemn themselves to complete irrelevancy.  Seems like an odd thing for an NDP booster to hope for.

Albertans will NEVER vote for a party that opposes the oil industry.  Notley, and her support for reduced emissions and renewables are the best you are going to get.   Enjoy Jason Kenney, coming soon to a border-war near you.

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« Reply #297 on: March 27, 2018, 08:55:42 pm »
Enjoy Jason Kenney, coming soon to a border-war near you.


Oh because Notley was such a dove!   :D

Same ****, different pile.

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« Reply #298 on: March 27, 2018, 08:58:13 pm »
And no, for the fourth or fifth time, I have no expectations of Alberta.  I have no horse in the game, I just hate seeing Notley parade as an NDP.

My disappointment is TRUDEAU.  I've been advocating strongly against TRUDEAU for his decision on this pipeline.

Notley was never meant to be anything more than a protest vote and a one-term premier, I wish to see TRUDEAU learn his lesson from this. 

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« Reply #299 on: March 27, 2018, 09:16:45 pm »
Oh because Notley was such a dove!   :D

Same ****, different pile.

Compared to the 50-year-old virgin, you bet she is. 

And no, for the fourth or fifth time, I have no expectations of Alberta.  I have no horse in the game, I just hate seeing Notley parade as an NDP.

Maybe you're disappointed to see the NDP actually FORM A GOVERNMENT in Alberta, but I'm quite pleased that it happened.  I think that things like championing a socially progressive agenda, and emissions reductions, and renewable resources, are worth doing. And continuing to export oil to people who need it and will buy it from somewhere else anyway is a reality that anybody who wants to be premier of Alberta has to live with.  Rachel Notley chose to accept that reality while advancing environmental issues in other ways.  If that's just too far "off the reserve" for NDP supporters to accept, that might explain a great deal about why the NDP have been so overwhelmingly ineffective for most of their existence.


My disappointment is TRUDEAU.  I've been advocating strongly against TRUDEAU for his decision on this pipeline.

I'm surprised that you're disappointed in Trudeau... I didn't think you were ever on board the Trudeau train, even from before the election.


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