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« Reply #270 on: March 27, 2018, 10:55:21 am »
If you can’t be honest enough to give the post reference I am not discussing anything with you.

bloody hell! How can you claim 'out of context' if you don't know the, as you say, "post reference"?  ;D But again, where's your beef - you're gung-ho for the pipeline... why are you not the same in accepting what you stated about tankers in the past - what's a lil' ole dredging of Burrard Inlet and 1st/2nd narrows to accept even bigger tankers?

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« Reply #271 on: March 27, 2018, 11:02:34 am »
As for the coast, that's not BC's, it's Canada's.

oh really? Argus, are you sure?

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« Reply #272 on: March 27, 2018, 11:32:11 am »
Thanks Waldo. I read the legalities too before but couldn’t be bothered to do Argus’s research for him.

All BC wants to do is let the courts hear our case but Notley is trying to posture so she can look tough against Kenney.

The issue isn’t black or white.

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« Reply #273 on: March 27, 2018, 12:00:45 pm »
All BC wants to do is let the courts hear our case but Notley is trying to posture so she can look tough against Kenney.
http://business.financialpost.com/investing/the-court-wouldnt-even-hear-it-b-c-loses-trans-mountain-appeal-in-federal-court

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Alberta Premier Rachel Notley cheered a court victory for the $7.4-billion Trans Mountain pipeline expansion Monday, which upholds the project’s ability to sidestep local permitting processes in cities opposed to the pipeline.

The Federal Court of Appeal declined late on Friday to hear an appeal by the government of B.C. and a handful of opposed municipalities of a ruling by the National Energy Board, which allowed Kinder Morgan Canada to seek construction permits for the pipeline directly from Canada’s pipeline regulator.

“It wasn’t that we won the decision, it was the court wouldn’t even hear it. So it was a pretty definitive victory for the pipeline and for the people of Alberta and Canada,” Notley said Monday.
OK. So BC was told by the courts it has no case. Does that mean BC backs off or will it be just a matter of time before a new excuse is concocted to go back to court again?

I think you know your attempt to make it sound like BC is being reasonable by 'just wanting its day in court' is dishonest BS. The only question is whether you will admit it.
By obstructing the pipeline BC is repudiating its moral and legal obligations under the constitution.
Anything Alberta does in response is in reprisal for BC's failure to be a good neighbor and federation partner.

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« Reply #274 on: March 27, 2018, 12:11:29 pm »
As for the coast, that's not BC's, it's Canada's.

Technically the coast and inland waterways are BC's, and off coast (12 miles) is Canada's.

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« Reply #275 on: March 27, 2018, 12:17:59 pm »
I didn’t catch that in yesterday’s news.

I knew it’d get built one way or another but I hope to see Notley and Trudeau get booted for it and get replaced by some real progressive leaders.

Shame on both of them.


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« Reply #276 on: March 27, 2018, 02:11:15 pm »
Why do we have 19 pages on BC politics, and hardly any about Ontario ?  It's not fair.
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« Reply #277 on: March 27, 2018, 02:34:15 pm »
I didn’t catch that in yesterday’s news.

I knew it’d get built one way or another but I hope to see Notley and Trudeau get booted for it and get replaced by some real progressive leaders.

Shame on both of them.

You are insane.

We will end up with Kenney and Scheer as Premier and Prime Minister. 

Congratulations and shame on you.


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« Reply #278 on: March 27, 2018, 02:37:28 pm »
OK. So BC was told by the courts it has no case. Does that mean BC backs off or will it be just a matter of time before a new excuse is concocted to go back to court again?

I think you know your attempt to make it sound like BC is being reasonable by 'just wanting its day in court' is dishonest BS. The only question is whether you will admit it.
By obstructing the pipeline BC is repudiating its moral and legal obligations under the constitution.
Anything Alberta does in response is in reprisal for BC's failure to be a good neighbor and federation partner.

Agreed with all of this except for the reprisals. 

Unless Alberta is behaving like a Nobel winning revolutionary in which case then I guess history will be okay with it.

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« Reply #279 on: March 27, 2018, 02:38:58 pm »
You are insane.

We will end up with Kenney and Scheer as Premier and Prime Minister. 

Congratulations and shame on you.

Shame on you for shaming me for my opinion.

Notley never was an NDP but people like Trudeau make me sick. They don’t realize that Albertans and conservatives will never vote for them but they appease them instead of their voters.

I *rather* have Scheer than a phony.


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« Reply #280 on: March 27, 2018, 02:40:31 pm »
Why do we have 19 pages on BC politics, and hardly any about Ontario ?  It's not fair.

You say that after all the Patrick Brown threads?
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« Reply #281 on: March 27, 2018, 02:50:09 pm »
Why do we have 19 pages on BC politics, and hardly any about Ontario ?  It's not fair.

I have to agree there, without articles on Ontario we are ignoring the God given right of Alberta crybabies to complain about the center of the universe.

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« Reply #282 on: March 27, 2018, 04:51:10 pm »
I have to agree there, without articles on Ontario we are ignoring the God given right of Alberta crybabies to complain about the center of the universe.

Alberta will always be Alberta, that part doesn't bug me.  Whining about ROC and having a victim-mentality is pretty much their raison d'etre it seems. Notley will be a flash in the pan and it'll be business as usual when (not if) Kenney wins the election next year.

Trudeau is the one I'm actually disappointed in.  First with dropping proportional representation and then for screwing over Metro Vancouver just to make inroads with a province that will never accept a Trudeau.



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« Reply #283 on: March 27, 2018, 04:56:33 pm »
This article pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject:


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Globally, nothing could destroy Trudeau's progressive image quicker than a picture of Indigenous elders peacefully defending their lands and waters being arrested by Canadian armed forces, yet that's exactly where this battle is headed.

Already, over 23,000 people have signed up to do "whatever it takes" to stop the pipeline. Members of the Tsleil Waututh have called for a mass action on March 10, and things are just going to get hotter from there.

Indigenous leaders, mayors and even a federal member of Parliament are willing to put their bodies on the line to stop this project. With each arrest, the headlines will multiply, which would be a blow to Trudeau on the world stage.

Trudeau has a way out, but it's not in backing a government that isn't likely to be around next year. If the prime minister wants to keep his international reputation squeaky clean and live up to his own promises, the best way to do that is to let B.C.'s planned scientific reviews move forward, the court cases be heard, and crumbing pipeline economics run their course.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/mike-hudema/trudeau-alberta-ndp-pipelines_a_23376142/

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« Reply #284 on: March 27, 2018, 05:53:13 pm »
Alberta will always be Alberta, that part doesn't bug me.  Whining about ROC and having a victim-mentality is pretty much their raison d'etre it seems. Notley will be a flash in the pan and it'll be business as usual when (not if) Kenney wins the election next year.

Trudeau is the one I'm actually disappointed in.  First with dropping proportional representation and then for screwing over Metro Vancouver just to make inroads with a province that will never accept a Trudeau.

I spent twenty two years living in BC and working all over it, and I've spent the last twelve doing exactly the same in Alberta.  They are no different when it comes to whining about the RoC.

I imagine everywhere is the same.