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Offline TimG

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« Reply #225 on: March 24, 2018, 03:28:43 pm »
And what do gas prices have to do with exporting bitumen to China?   Please explain....
BC depends on Alberta and Kinder Morgan to provide fuel so increasing supply to reduce prices requires a good relationship with Alberta and Kinder Morgan.
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/how-alberta-could-sow-gas-price-armageddon-in-vancouver

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It’s surprisingly difficult to get oil into Vancouver by sea
If Alberta imports run dry, B.C. will be forced to source its gas almost exclusively from Washington State. This is easier said than done. Currently, “less than 10% of the gasoline consumed in B.C. is imported via ship or barge from the U.S. Pacific Northwest,” according to the National Energy Board. This is remarkably low for a province where 72 per cent of the population lives within easy reach of the coast. It also means that there are few places in Vancouver to offload gas and diesel from a boat. One of the biggest, ironically, is owned by Kinder Morgan. Their Westridge Marine Terminal, the export terminal for the Trans Mountain pipeline, could conceivably become the epicenter of an effort to resupply Vancouver’s gas stations by sea.
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« Reply #226 on: March 24, 2018, 04:09:21 pm »
BC depends on Alberta and Kinder Morgan to provide fuel so increasing supply to reduce prices requires a good relationship with Alberta and Kinder Morgan.
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/how-alberta-could-sow-gas-price-armageddon-in-vancouver

You seemed to have missed the question and gone on to answer a question that was never asked...   

So what do gas prices have to do with exporting bitumen to China?

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« Reply #227 on: March 24, 2018, 04:23:58 pm »
So what do gas prices have to do with exporting bitumen to China?
You seem to be unable to connect the dots. Alberta and Kinder Morgan want to expand the pipeline to ensure Alberta producers have more than one international customer for their product. If BC wants their help increasing local gasoline supplies then it will have to provide the quid quo pro. The alternate is to continue to screw over Alberta and see what happens to gas prices if Alberta gets pissed off enough to cut off supplies of refined product.

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« Reply #228 on: March 24, 2018, 04:40:29 pm »
You seem to be unable to connect the dots. Alberta and Kinder Morgan want to expand the pipeline to ensure Alberta producers have more than one international customer for their product. If BC wants their help increasing local gasoline supplies then it will have to provide the quid quo pro. The alternate is to continue to screw over Alberta and see what happens to gas prices if Alberta gets pissed off enough to cut off supplies of refined product.

Thats like saying let us expand pipelines or we won’t send you our apples.   One has nothing to do with the other except as political blackmail.
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« Reply #229 on: March 24, 2018, 04:48:40 pm »
I think it’s the irony of a province that is so obstructionist when it come to anything petroleum, whining about gas prices.

What BC really needs is second refinery but even if someone wanted to build it, the chances of getting one approved in Lotus Land is just about non existent.
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« Reply #230 on: March 24, 2018, 04:52:31 pm »
Thats like saying let us expand pipelines or we won’t send you our apples.   One has nothing to do with the other except as political blackmail.
Well, BC politicians are the ones who set the tone by deciding to be SOBs by obstructing the pipeline. If others respond in kind they have no business complaining. Of course, this kind of brinksmanship could be avoided if BC politicians would stop being a**holes and work cooperatively with Alberta for solutions that address spill concerns while allowing  the project to move forward as planned.

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« Reply #231 on: March 24, 2018, 04:53:49 pm »
I think it’s the irony of a province that is so obstructionist when it come to anything petroleum, whining about gas prices.

What BC really needs is second refinery but even if someone wanted to build it, the chances of getting one approved in Lotus Land is just about non existent.

You’re simply wrong.  There are pipelines all over the place.

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« Reply #232 on: March 24, 2018, 04:55:38 pm »
Well, BC politicians are the ones who set the tone by deciding to be SOBs by obstructing the pipeline. If others respond in kind they have no business complaining. Of course, this kind of brinksmanship could be avoided if BC politicians would stop being a**holes and work cooperatively with Alberta for solutions that address spill concerns while allowing  the project to move forward as planned.

The project isn’t good enough as planned, so BC is looking out for its interests.  Why should BC look out for Albertan interests when all the risks are in BC?   No thanks.

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« Reply #233 on: March 24, 2018, 04:58:01 pm »
You’re simply wrong.  There are pipelines all over the place.

When was the last time a new one was approved?
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« Reply #234 on: March 24, 2018, 05:02:24 pm »
The project isn’t good enough as planned, so BC is looking out for its interests.  Why should BC look out for Albertan interests when all the risks are in BC?   No thanks.

Why not just separate then if you don’t give a **** about the rest of the country. Vancouver could then compete with US ports to serve the rest of Canada. You know as well as I do, it will never be good enough for you.
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« Reply #235 on: March 24, 2018, 05:03:46 pm »
When was the last time a new one was approved?

No idea...   do you know?

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« Reply #236 on: March 24, 2018, 05:04:34 pm »
Why not just separate them if you don’t give a **** about the rest of the country. Vancouver could then compete with US ports to serve the rest of Canada. You know as well as I do, it will never be goof enough for you.

Silly hyperbole. 

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« Reply #237 on: March 24, 2018, 05:06:53 pm »
The project isn’t good enough as planned, so BC is looking out for its interests.  Why should BC look out for Albertan interests when all the risks are in BC?   No thanks.
Spare us the dishonest nonsense. No pipeline project would ever be "good enough" for the people like you. More importantly, BC has a moral obligation to facilitate the transport of products from other provinces. You could call it the flipside of deal BC cut to join confederation which included a promise to build a transcanada rail link. If BC wishes to renege on this moral obligation for self-centered reasons then Alberta is within its rights to respond with equally nasty measures such as cutting off the gas supply the Vancouver. It is extreme but it seems like that will be the only way to communicate with the self-absorbed hypocrites in Victoria now.

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« Reply #238 on: March 24, 2018, 05:07:44 pm »
No idea...   do you know?

The only one I know of is the one to serve YVR with fuel which took 10 years of fighting and doubled the cost.
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« Reply #239 on: March 24, 2018, 05:17:37 pm »
Spare us the dishonest nonsense. No pipeline project would ever be "good enough" for the people like you. More importantly, BC has a moral obligation to facilitate the transport of products from other provinces. You could call it the flipside of deal BC cut to join confederation which included a promise to build a transcanada rail link. If BC wishes to renege on this moral obligation for self-centered reasons then Alberta is within its rights to respond with equally nasty measures such as cutting off the gas supply the Vancouver. It is extreme but it seems like that will be the only way to communicate with the self-absorbed hypocrites in Victoria now.

60% of Alberta goods go through Vancouver...   go ahead...   cut off gas and their Walmarts will be empty.  Rednecks won’t stand for that.