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Offline wilber

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« Reply #210 on: March 21, 2018, 03:00:42 pm »
So why should they get a say in a western pipeline?
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« Reply #211 on: March 22, 2018, 06:54:19 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on March 21, 2018, 01:08:21 pm
Sorry, but when you have Prime Minster Harper only meeting with corporate lobbyists and not even regular people or the press then we have an almost exclusive monopoly of political activism from the corporate sector, and most of that foreign.

At least he was meeting with Canadian lobbyists, not Chinese government ones.
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« Reply #212 on: March 22, 2018, 06:59:39 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on March 22, 2018, 06:54:19 pm
At least he was meeting with Canadian lobbyists, not Chinese government ones.

Sorry, but the players he met with are foreign. Statoil, Marcol Energy, Murphy Oil, Royal Dutch Shell, Devon Energy, ConocoPhillips, PetrBank Energy Resources and Husky Energy are all over 90% foreign owned. Imperial Oil fares better at 89% foreign ownership. Suncor and Canadian Oil Sands are both  majority foreign owned.
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« Reply #213 on: March 22, 2018, 07:13:25 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on March 22, 2018, 06:59:39 pm
Sorry, but the players he met with are foreign. Statoil, Marcol Energy, Murphy Oil, Royal Dutch Shell, Devon Energy, ConocoPhillips, PetrBank Energy Resources and Husky Energy are all over 90% foreign owned. Imperial Oil fares better at 89% foreign ownership. Suncor and Canadian Oil Sands are both  majority foreign owned.

You realize there is a difference between meeting with companies which do business in Canada, and accepting money from the Chinese government, right?
Note that what you call 'lobbying' by these companies was not accompanied by donations to the Conservatives. Unlike the Chinese government which is funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars into the Liberal party of Canada through its diaspora here. And unlike Tides which is funneling tens of millions of dollars into Canada from sources unknown in order to restrict our oil production.
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« Reply #214 on: March 22, 2018, 07:36:39 pm »
Vancouverites are unhappy that gas prices are at record levels, and are projected to go higher.  Might be a good time to see how committed west coast urbanites *really* are to the environmental rhetoric.  Rachel should shut the pipeline down for a while... call it "spring cleaning" or "annual safety inspection" or something.



On the non-pipeline front, the home speculation tax is causing a lot of controversy here, as the Kim City/Lost Lake area has been added to the list of areas covered by the tax. City council has resolved to fight against this, and are upset that they weren't even consulted on the matter.

The reason this is controversial is that many homes in the area are second homes owned by out-of-town people who live here for part of the year, and/or will be retiring here in the near future.  Those people contribute a lot of money to our economy.  Putting a punitive tax on them might drive them away or force them to sell.

I have mixed emotions about this.  I do think something needs to be done about skyrocketing housing costs. But I'm a little concerned about the potential economic impact.

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« Reply #215 on: March 24, 2018, 11:54:38 am »
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Alberta cries hypocrisy over pipeline fight after B.C. offers incentives for LNG facililty --- https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/alberta/article-alberta-cries-hypocrisy-over-pipeline-fight-after-bc-offers/

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Alberta Premier Rachel Notley is accusing Premier John Horgan’s government of “hypocrisy” when it comes to energy development, as British Columbia offers incentives to spur the construction of liquefied natural gas export facilities {re: Kitimat LNG terminal} while trying to thwart the Kinder Morgan oil pipeline expansion.
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« Reply #216 on: March 24, 2018, 12:03:20 pm »
Where were all the Kinder Morgan "environmentalists" while this has been going on?

https://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/2017/03/vancouver-becoming-north-americas-largest-coal-exporting-port/
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« Reply #217 on: March 24, 2018, 12:04:25 pm »
There are environmental concerns about all hydrocarbons, but certainly there are much different concerns especially localized ones around heavier hydrocarbons (crude oil) on water based ecosystems.
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« Reply #218 on: March 24, 2018, 12:25:28 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on March 24, 2018, 12:04:25 pm
There are environmental concerns about all hydrocarbons, but certainly there are much different concerns especially localized ones around heavier hydrocarbons (crude oil) on water based ecosystems.

But I don't see those who are quoting CO2 emissions protesting the fact Vancouver exports 6 million tons of American thermal coal every year.

Do you think all tanker traffic worldwide should be shut down and if not, what makes Vancouver so special?
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« Reply #219 on: March 24, 2018, 12:50:36 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on March 24, 2018, 12:04:25 pm
There are environmental concerns about all hydrocarbons, but certainly there are much different concerns especially localized ones around heavier hydrocarbons (crude oil) on water based ecosystems.
Sure tell yourself that. We all know the real reason so people in BC think the pipeline can/should be stopped is they (wrongly) believe it will have no impact on the BC economy. Shameless hypocrites all around.

I noticed some native groups have taken the government to court over its tanker ban. Environmentalists discovered in Clayoquot that supporting "native rights" does not necessarily stop industrial activity. I am surprised they did not learn the lesson.
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« Reply #220 on: March 24, 2018, 12:54:15 pm »
John Horgan is now pleading for the federal government to step in and provide "leadership" in regard to skyrocketing gas prices.

Pretty rich.

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« Reply #221 on: March 24, 2018, 01:55:03 pm »
Quote from: kimmy on March 24, 2018, 12:54:15 pm
John Horgan is now pleading for the federal government to step in and provide "leadership" in regard to skyrocketing gas prices.

Pretty rich.

 -k

As he cranks up the carbon tax next week. Disconnected what. ::)
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« Reply #222 on: March 24, 2018, 01:59:23 pm »
Quote from: wilber on March 24, 2018, 01:55:03 pm
As he cranks up the carbon tax next week. Disconnected what. ::)
Agree, the province has a lot of control over what is paid.
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« Reply #223 on: March 24, 2018, 02:10:38 pm »
I don't know what he expects Ottawa to do other than lower the federal tax so he can increase the provincial tax. Why should Ottawa do anything when BC isn't prepared to do anything other than be obstructive.
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« Reply #224 on: March 24, 2018, 03:15:51 pm »
Quote from: wilber on March 24, 2018, 02:10:38 pm
I don't know what he expects Ottawa to do other than lower the federal tax so he can increase the provincial tax. Why should Ottawa do anything when BC isn't prepared to do anything other than be obstructive.

And what do gas prices have to do with exporting bitumen to China?   Please explain....
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