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Offline waldo

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« Reply #180 on: March 12, 2018, 12:54:47 pm »
You claim I said it, you find it.

again, in regards initial "suggestions/fore-warnings" of a possible intent to also include the Suez-Max (285m) class ship... requiring berthing and channel dredging of Burrard Inlet and 1st/2nd narrows...

do you take exception to the quote itself... to the content of the quote - this quote:

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So we do some berthing improvements and dredging. Vancouver is a port and that's what ports do all the time. It is not like Burrard inlet is the mouth of a major fish bearing river.



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« Reply #181 on: March 12, 2018, 01:03:50 pm »
Why can't you show a source for your so called "quote" ?

Opponents of the project have raised the spectre of suezmax ships but the approval is for aframax ships. Any increase in ship size would require further approval from the NEB and Transport Canada as well as actions taken by the Port itself to make it possible.

As far as taking statements out of context goes, ports do dredge and make berthing improvements all the time.
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« Reply #182 on: March 12, 2018, 01:14:09 pm »
Why can't you show a source for your so called "quote" ?

Opponents of the project have raised the spectre of suezmax ships but the approval is for aframax ships. Any increase in ship size would require further approval from the NEB and Transport Canada as well as actions taken by the Port itself to make it possible.

I could... but I'm more intrigued by you taking exception to the quote itself. This guy named 'wilber' seems quite open to an eventuality of suezmax... cause, apparently, in the context of that possible suezmax, he stated required dredging/berthing improvements (for the referenced inlet & 1st/2nd narrows) is just what ports do - just matter of fact operational.

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« Reply #183 on: March 12, 2018, 01:24:52 pm »
I could... but I'm more intrigued by you taking exception to the quote itself. This guy named 'wilber' seems quite open to an eventuality of suezmax... cause, apparently, in the context of that possible suezmax, he stated required dredging/berthing improvements (for the referenced inlet & 1st/2nd narrows) is just what ports do - just matter of fact operational.

I don't take exception to the quote, you are the one putting it in the context of suezmax tankers and saying I am in favour of them. Give the reference so we can see what the whole post says.
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« Reply #184 on: March 18, 2018, 08:16:00 pm »
Driving near Jasper this week, I saw train after train full of Alberta lumber headed to the port in Vancouver.  Maybe BC doesn’t allow this lumber to get to port if Alberta “shuts off the taps”...    :D

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« Reply #185 on: March 18, 2018, 09:08:43 pm »
Driving near Jasper this week, I saw train after train full of Alberta lumber headed to the port in Vancouver.  Maybe BC doesn’t allow this lumber to get to port if Alberta “shuts off the taps”...    :D

Seattle is only 200 km south of Vancouver. Shippers won't put up with BC's tantrum's, they will just find other ways to get their goods to market. Seattle will be laughing all the way to the bank.
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« Reply #186 on: March 18, 2018, 09:16:11 pm »
Interesting poll.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4040156/bc-alberta-pipeline-poll-angus-reid-institute/

While support for the project is evenly split, 55% think the continuing attempted delays by BC are wrong.
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« Reply #187 on: March 18, 2018, 10:40:56 pm »
Seattle is only 200 km south of Vancouver. Shippers won't put up with BC's tantrum's, they will just find other ways to get their goods to market. Seattle will be laughing all the way to the bank.

You think it’s as simple as changing tracks?  Surrrre...   if it was, Alberta would just send their oil south too...

One slight problem....   Washington backs BC.   https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-washington-state-governor-backs-bc-in-fight-against-trans-mountain/


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« Reply #188 on: March 18, 2018, 11:04:13 pm »
You think it’s as simple as changing tracks?  Surrrre...   if it was, Alberta would just send their oil south too...

One slight problem....   Washington backs BC.   https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-washington-state-governor-backs-bc-in-fight-against-trans-mountain/


Shippers use ports as a tool, they are not customers.  Governor of a state that has been accepting tankers from Alaska for 40 years and will continue until Alaskan oil is gone, is backing BC for environmental reasons. What a joke. Wonder why that is. You think they are our friends when it comes to competing for business?

Do you seriously think Seattle will refuse to ship Canadian lumber, containers or other commodities?
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« Reply #189 on: March 18, 2018, 11:14:28 pm »
While support for the project is evenly split, 55% think the continuing attempted delays by BC are wrong.

Yet most think BC has the most persuasive argument.

I think what that poll really says it that the issue is controversial

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« Reply #190 on: March 18, 2018, 11:25:49 pm »
Yet most think BC has the most persuasive argument.

I think what that poll really says it that the issue is controversial

Yes it is but the province with most objectors was Quebec which receives all of its oil by tanker, most of it from Algeria. The pot calling the kettle.

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About 50 percent of U.S. oil imports, crude oil and refined products are transported by sea, according to the International Maritime Organization.

The Tesoro Anacortes refinery receives crude coming from Alaska and foreign sources by tanker. It delivers refined products through ships and barges. The Shell Puget Sound Refinery receives most of its crude oil by tanker from oilfields on Alaska’s North Slope.

These tankers typically make their way to the Tesoro and Shell marine terminals by way of the Strait of Juan de Fuca, Rosario Strait and Guemes Channel.

According to the Puget Sound Marine Exchange’s data, in 2013 there were 597 tankers inbound through the Strait of Juan de Fuca — about 50 a month.
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« Reply #191 on: March 19, 2018, 09:45:00 am »
Rachel Notley implemented Canada's steepest carbon tax, imposed emissions caps, and began the phase-out of coal power generation, in the mistaken belief that demonstrating leadership on environmental issues would help win cooperation from Ottawa and the other provinces. She called this idea "social license".  Clearly that strategy is a gigantic failure. You can be sure that Jason Kenney will undo all of that when he becomes premier, and he will be able to argue-- with justification-- that trying to win cooperation by being a "good guy" on carbon has been a failure.

Early on, "social license" seemed to work. People were
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"Let me say this definitively, we could not have approved this project without the leadership of Premier Notley and Alberta's climate leadership plan," Trudeau told reporters in Ottawa Tuesday while announcing the go-ahead of the pipeline. "A plan that commits to pricing carbon and capping oilsands emissions at 100 megatonnes per year."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/premier-leadership-climate-plan-factor-pipeline-approvals-1.3873664

But now we see how much Trudeau's support actually means. Despite promising that the pipeline will get built at a town hall, the federal government has provided zero action to make that happen, and they show no intention of ever planning to.

Notley now says she's not signing on to a national carbon tax plan until the pipeline gets built. Maybe she should start **** around with trucks or trains leaving BC-- mandatory safety inspections at the border, maybe-- to force the feds to get off their asses.

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« Reply #192 on: March 19, 2018, 10:20:45 am »
... the federal government has provided zero action to make that happen

what action are you proposing?

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« Reply #193 on: March 19, 2018, 10:22:27 am »
Probably shut them down at the Saskatchewan border so Alberta can pick what it wants for itself.
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« Reply #194 on: March 19, 2018, 10:26:42 am »
The pipeline has been approved so they should just start building it.
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