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Offline wilber

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« Reply #165 on: March 11, 2018, 10:52:24 pm »
Quote from: the_squid on March 11, 2018, 10:41:47 pm
You clearly don’t even know what the courts will be looking at...   they will be ensuring Canada did the approvals correctly, which BC says they did not.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/10/01/news/lawyer-explains-bcs-strategy-quash-kinder-morgan-pipeline-approval

So now it isn't about the environment at all.
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« Reply #166 on: March 12, 2018, 06:53:53 am »
Quote from: the_squid on March 11, 2018, 10:41:47 pm
You clearly don’t even know what the courts will be looking at...   they will be ensuring Canada did the approvals correctly, which BC says they did not.
What a pathetic argument. The proposed increase in tanker traffic is nothing compared to the general increase in shipping planned by the port of of Vancouver. If there is any danger to killer whales it comes from ALL ships and to pretend oil tankers are a unique risk is hypocritical. This is nothing but NIMBY politics and, as I said, if BC succeeds in court it will create a crisis because what is the point of a confederation if one partner thinks it can block the exports from another.
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« Reply #167 on: March 12, 2018, 09:28:02 am »
Quote from: TimG on March 12, 2018, 06:53:53 am
What a pathetic argument. The proposed increase in tanker traffic is nothing compared to the general increase in shipping planned by the port of of Vancouver.

What is the tonnage increase in both. Those super oil tankers are a half million tons of hazardous cargo each.
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« Reply #168 on: March 12, 2018, 09:58:28 am »
Quote from: wilber on March 11, 2018, 10:52:24 pm
So now it isn't about the environment at all.

So you didn’t read the article either?

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From the link provided:   Pongracic-Speier suggested the increase in oil tanker traffic is why the project would pose risks to the British Columbia coast. And she explained that Trudeau’s government made a decision without providing enough evidence that it considered the extent of these impacts and risks.

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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #169 on: March 12, 2018, 10:00:54 am »
Quote from: TimG on March 12, 2018, 06:53:53 am
...if BC succeeds in court it will create a crisis because what is the point of a confederation if one partner thinks it can block the exports from another.

How can BC block Alberta exports?   If Alberta and Canada wants to build a pipeline east...   or gets our American friends to build a pipeline west or south, how would BC block that?   Your premise is idiotic....   block Alberta exports...   lol
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« Reply #170 on: March 12, 2018, 10:23:59 am »
Quote from: ?Impact on March 12, 2018, 09:28:02 am
What is the tonnage increase in both. Those super oil tankers are a half million tons of hazardous cargo each.

Not hard to find if you bother to look.

https://www.portvancouver.com/about-us/topics-of-interest/petroleum-products-and-tanker-safety/

There are larger cruise ships (some over 200,000 tons) but they can't get into Vancouver because the bridge isn't high enough.
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« Reply #171 on: March 12, 2018, 10:29:14 am »
Quote from: the_squid on March 12, 2018, 09:58:28 am
So you didn’t read the article either?

The legal argument they are using is about the process, not the environment. Doesn't really matter because the anti tanker bunch is going to stamp its feet and scream till it gets its way. I think they will be disappointed.
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« Reply #172 on: March 12, 2018, 10:36:34 am »
Quote from: the_squid on March 12, 2018, 10:00:54 am
How can BC block Alberta exports?   If Alberta and Canada wants to build a pipeline east...   or gets our American friends to build a pipeline west or south, how would BC block that?   Your premise is idiotic....   block Alberta exports...   lol
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Trying to block Alberta exports is exactly what they are trying to do. Why else use the global warming argument as part of its objection?

If a trade war between provinces starts, you will likely see a lot of things being shipped through American ports, and they won't be oil. They will be things that are otherwise shipped through Vancouver.
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« Reply #173 on: March 12, 2018, 10:56:42 am »
Quote from: wilber on March 12, 2018, 10:23:59 am
There are larger cruise ships (some over 200,000 tons) but they can't get into Vancouver because the bridge isn't high enough.

who said the following in regards initial "suggestions/fore-warnings" of a possible intent to also include the Suez-Max (285m) class ship... requiring berthing and channel dredging of Burrard Inlet and 1st/2nd narrows.?

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So we do some berthing improvements and dredging. Vancouver is a port and that's what ports do all the time. It is not like Burrard inlet is the mouth of a major fish bearing river.
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« Reply #174 on: March 12, 2018, 11:02:58 am »
Quote from: waldo on March 12, 2018, 10:56:42 am
who said the following in regards initial "suggestions/fore-warnings" of a possible intent to also include the Suez-Max (285m) class ship... requiring berthing and channel dredging of Burrard Inlet and 1st/2nd narrows.?

I don't know, who said it?

The harbour is subject to strong tides, dredging will always be part of the port's operation.
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« Reply #175 on: March 12, 2018, 11:26:39 am »
Quote from: wilber on March 12, 2018, 11:02:58 am
I don't know, who said it?

The harbour is subject to strong tides, dredging will always be part of the port's operation.

some guy named 'wilber' on the POS board... but again, the 'subject to' wasn't your (now) alternate mentioned 'strong tide' reference; rather it was to possible intentions to increase tanker size to a supermax level.
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« Reply #176 on: March 12, 2018, 11:44:32 am »
Quote from: waldo on March 12, 2018, 11:26:39 am
some guy named 'wilber' on the POS board... but again, the 'subject to' wasn't your (now) alternate mentioned 'strong tide' reference; rather it was to possible intentions to increase tanker size to a supermax level.

Really, give me the post number and topic.
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« Reply #177 on: March 12, 2018, 12:08:44 pm »
When I was young and dumb I took a 13 ft home made plywood runabout under Lions Gate when the tide was running. Scary and I regretted it instantly. The tides are strong and move stuff around. Because gravity always wins, dredging will always be necessary.
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« Reply #178 on: March 12, 2018, 12:39:40 pm »
even for suezmax class, right? Amirite? (by the by, I gave you the quote... try a search)
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« Reply #179 on: March 12, 2018, 12:46:26 pm »
Quote from: waldo on March 12, 2018, 12:39:40 pm
even for suezmax class, right? Amirite? (by the by, I gave you the quote... try a search)

You claim I said it, you find it.

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