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« Reply #150 on: March 11, 2018, 03:40:17 pm »
Still popular in my neighbourhood in Montreal, no where near as much as when I was a child. I remember 100% usage of clothes lines then, today it is about 30%.

They sure as hell aren't in Vancouver, or BC in general, especially the trendy bits.

http://www.sightline.org/2012/05/16/does-bc-mean-bans-clotheslines/
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« Reply #151 on: March 11, 2018, 04:29:07 pm »
Limited by what?
By the worldwide push for less damaging forms of energy - even the fossil fuel industry giants are starting to recognize that they have to move on.   We'll have to do something about plastics, too.  Already, the Catholic Church is supporting 'giving up plastic for lent'.  If there is a reduction in use of fossil fuels to power vehicles/houses/etc;, and if use of plastic is reduced, then fewer fossil fuels will be needed.

But as I said, I don't think this will happen in my lifetime.  But it will happen; worse case scenario is that it happens because most of humanity dies due to climate change. 

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If you folks are so concerned about the environment, why haven't you been out protesting the shipment of thermal coal from Delta Port, much of which comes from the US? Most of it is going to China as well. Guess it doesn't matter because it doesn't go through Vancouver harbour and past West Van and Point Grey.

"You Folks"?  Heck I don't even support the Liberals NDP in 'refusing' the pipeline from Alberta.  I support reducing reliance on fossil fuels and developing other sources of energy sooner rather than later, but agree that we can't just stop all oil production.  That's not realistic.   

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« Reply #152 on: March 11, 2018, 05:07:28 pm »
By the worldwide push for less damaging forms of energy - even the fossil fuel industry giants are starting to recognize that they have to move on.   We'll have to do something about plastics, too.  Already, the Catholic Church is supporting 'giving up plastic for lent'.  If there is a reduction in use of fossil fuels to power vehicles/houses/etc;, and if use of plastic is reduced, then fewer fossil fuels will be needed.

But as I said, I don't think this will happen in my lifetime.  But it will happen; worse case scenario is that it happens because most of humanity dies due to climate change. 



Hopefully we will see a reduction in the use of plastics and oil companies are looking at other types of energy production. Not all products of petroleum are harmful to the environment if disposed of properly and some are irreplaceable.


We have limited options to fossil fuels in our northern clime. Geothermal is an effective method of heating an cooling homes but is only efficient within a certain temperature range. A backup source of heat is necessary in our climate.  Alberta is actually better suited to alternate energy sources than BC. Southern Alberta has more sun and already has extensive wind farms in the Lethbridge area. BC has neither. We are not southern California with ample amounts of both wind and sun.


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"You Folks"?  Heck I don't even support the Liberals in 'refusing' the pipeline from Alberta.  I support reducing reliance on fossil fuels and developing other sources of energy sooner rather than later, but agree that we can't just stop all oil production.  That's not realistic.

Sorry, I was lumping you in with some others. I don't think the Liberals were refusing it at last point.
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« Reply #153 on: March 11, 2018, 05:58:12 pm »
Hopefully we will see a reduction in the use of plastics and oil companies are looking at other types of energy production. Not all products of petroleum are harmful to the environment if disposed of properly and some are irreplaceable.
Yeah, and we are extremely reliant on plastics.  But eliminating things like plastic grocery bags, plastic water bottles, forks/spoons/plates/etc., or at least replacing them with stuff that disintegrates in some reasonable amount of time seems like a good idea.

]quote] We have limited options to fossil fuels in our northern clime. Geothermal is an effective method of heating an cooling homes but is only efficient within a certain temperature range. A backup source of heat is necessary in our climate.  Alberta is actually better suited to alternate energy sources than BC. Southern Alberta has more sun and already has extensive wind farms in the Lethbridge area. BC has neither. We are not southern California with ample amounts of both wind and sun. [/quote]

Technology may find a way to offset whatever shortfall there is for renewable/clean energy.  Who knows what may happen in a decade or two?

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Sorry, I was lumping you in with some others. I don't think the Liberals were refusing it at last point.

I actually meant NDP.  I've fixed it now.

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« Reply #154 on: March 11, 2018, 06:00:45 pm »
They sure as hell aren't in Vancouver, or BC in general, especially the trendy bits.

http://www.sightline.org/2012/05/16/does-bc-mean-bans-clotheslines/

It really bugs me that the Strata here doesn't allow outside drying of clothes.  I've complained about it, but the "old guard" thinks it doesn't 'look' good.  OTOH, that was a few years ago and maybe it's time to try again. 

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« Reply #155 on: March 11, 2018, 06:11:11 pm »
I’m all for pipelines and tankers, as long as it can be ensured to be done safely.  That’s what BC is wanting to do. We’ll find out from the courts if BC has the right to do so.

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« Reply #156 on: March 11, 2018, 07:13:07 pm »
It really bugs me that the Strata here doesn't allow outside drying of clothes.  I've complained about it, but the "old guard" thinks it doesn't 'look' good.  OTOH, that was a few years ago and maybe it's time to try again.

That's always been a pet peeve of mine too.  It's so much better for the clothes, I think,

And don't get me started on scented dryer sheets!

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« Reply #157 on: March 11, 2018, 07:18:26 pm »
It's so much better for the clothes, I think,

On a warm summer's day, absolutely. Try putting away clothes that have frozen hard in the winter is a different story.

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« Reply #158 on: March 11, 2018, 07:22:25 pm »
On a warm summer's day, absolutely. Try putting away clothes that have frozen hard in the winter is a different story.

I just lean them up against the closet until it's time to wear them...

But seriously, it's the notion that people don't want to see it, so you can't do it that pisses me off.

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« Reply #159 on: March 11, 2018, 07:24:10 pm »
That's always been a pet peeve of mine too.  It's so much better for the clothes, I think,

And don't get me started on scented dryer sheets!

Bounce sheets are great for keeping stuff fresh that is in storage and cleaning bugs off of vehicles.
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« Reply #160 on: March 11, 2018, 07:28:37 pm »
Bounce sheets are great for keeping stuff fresh that is in storage and cleaning bugs off of vehicles.

I can't stand the smell.  Even when I go for walk and someone in the neighbourhood has been using one.

I might try the bug removal idea.  By September my truck is just one big bird feeder...


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« Reply #161 on: March 11, 2018, 08:50:06 pm »
I’m all for pipelines and tankers, as long as it can be ensured to be done safely.  That’s what BC is wanting to do. We’ll find out from the courts if BC has the right to do so.
Please spare us the dishonest posturing. You know perfectly well that no reasonable safety measures will be sufficient and the intent of the BC government it to impose requirements that ensure it is not possible to build. Also it is not a question of jurisdiction because the federal government has clear authority over interprovincial transport. If the court were to actually side with BC it would create a constitutional crisis because it would mean every province would be free to invent bogus environmental concerns and use it to justify blocking transport of goods (i.e. BC wines will find they can't be sold in Alberta until the government decides they are safe for human consumption...).
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« Reply #162 on: March 11, 2018, 10:02:36 pm »
Please spare us the dishonest posturing. You know perfectly well that no reasonable safety measures will be sufficient and the intent of the BC government it to impose requirements that ensure it is not possible to build. Also it is not a question of jurisdiction because the federal government has clear authority over interprovincial transport. If the court were to actually side with BC it would create a constitutional crisis because it would mean every province would be free to invent bogus environmental concerns and use it to justify blocking transport of goods (i.e. BC wines will find they can't be sold in Alberta until the government decides they are safe for human consumption...).

Please stop with the incessant whining and moaning....   we have oil pipelines now, so clearly you’re engaging in hyperbole.  An increase in tanker traffic means we have to ensure it’s done responsibly.
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« Reply #163 on: March 11, 2018, 10:07:10 pm »
Please stop with the incessant whining and moaning....   we have oil pipelines now, so clearly you’re engaging in hyperbole.  An increase in tanker traffic means we have to ensure it’s done responsibly.

Transport Canada has jurisdiction over maritime safety, not provinces. This is just a delaying tactic.
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« Reply #164 on: March 11, 2018, 10:41:47 pm »
Transport Canada has jurisdiction over maritime safety, not provinces. This is just a delaying tactic.

You clearly don’t even know what the courts will be looking at...   they will be ensuring Canada did the approvals correctly, which BC says they did not.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2017/10/01/news/lawyer-explains-bcs-strategy-quash-kinder-morgan-pipeline-approval