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Offline wilber

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« Reply #90 on: March 10, 2018, 08:50:05 pm »
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Oil spills happen all the time and the independent studies say that an oil spill is 16% to 67% likely.

16% to 67%, now there is a study you can rely on for accuracy. ::)

Why don't you compare them to oil spills in Canadian waters. I already posted a reference that says the East Coast has more than five times the tanker movements as the West Coast.
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« Reply #91 on: March 10, 2018, 08:50:09 pm »
I think the point is, Alberta isn't going to wait while BC pisses around trying to delay the process in the hope it will go away.

I honestly don't give a fig what Alberta wants.  I'd rather pay $4/litre than have a pipeline going to Burnaby.

Speaking of which, so do the thousands of people marching today in Vancouver.  Our opinion matters.  It's our city.

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« Reply #92 on: March 10, 2018, 08:52:19 pm »
No thank you.  I don't think wanting to keep our city oil-spill free needs re-evaluating.

Then stop using petroleum products altogether because someone has to take those risks in order to provide them to you.
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« Reply #93 on: March 10, 2018, 08:53:45 pm »
What does that matter?  You're the one who said empahtically:

I asked if the feds ruled in favour of BC, would you say equally emphatically that Alberta should just sit quietly and accept the decision.

You didn't answer.

They might not like it, but they'd have little choice but to accept. We can look at history to see what happened when Alberta and the federal government went to war on oil.

I can only assume that things are different right now because Vancouver has quite a few Liberal MPs.

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« Reply #94 on: March 10, 2018, 08:54:03 pm »
16% to 67%, now there is a study you can rely on for accuracy. ::)

Why don't you compare them to oil spills in Canadian waters. I already posted a reference that says the East Coast has more than five times the tanker movements as the West Coast.

It was done by the City of Vancouver, but of course you've already proven you don't care what we living in the city say about the issue.

We already had one oil spill here in 2015.  A tanker needed for this expansion would spill 3000x more oil.

No thank you.

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« Reply #95 on: March 10, 2018, 08:55:24 pm »
They might not like it, but they'd have little choice but to accept. We can look at history to see what happened when Alberta and the federal government went to war on oil.

I can only assume that things are different right now because Vancouver has quite a few Liberal MPs.

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So if the situation was reverse, you don't think Alberta has a right to even take the issue to court and fight it?

That's all Horgan is doing. 

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« Reply #96 on: March 10, 2018, 08:57:15 pm »
Rare is still not good enough in a city of millions.
They why is the port of vancouver still running? All shipping traffic should be halted immediately if zero risk is all you will accept. Of course, risk is not the real issue because risk can be managed. Risk is just an excuse to ignore the the moral and legal obligations that BC has as a member of confederation.
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« Reply #97 on: March 10, 2018, 09:01:15 pm »
Risk is just an excuse to ignore the the moral and legal obligations that BC has as a member of confederation.

All Canadians have a moral obligation to protect our environment.
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« Reply #98 on: March 10, 2018, 09:01:35 pm »
They why is the port of vancouver still running? All shipping traffic should be halted immediately if zero risk is all you will accept. Of course, risk is not the real issue because risk can be managed. The real issue is the green religion.

Your logic is faulty.  We're fighting a 7 fold expansion, meaning 7 times more risk. 

The number of people fighting for zero risk are on the fringes, but the number of people who don't want to drastically increase that risk are not.

You don't need to be statistician to understand why.


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« Reply #99 on: March 10, 2018, 09:02:12 pm »
It was done by the City of Vancouver, but of course you've already proven you don't care what we living in the city say about the issue.

We already had one oil spill here in 2015.  A tanker needed for this expansion would spill 3000x more oil.

No thank you.

Would you rely on any other study that put the odds of something between 16% and 67%.

That was a fuel spill, not a tanker spill. Better close the port then.
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« Reply #100 on: March 10, 2018, 09:03:51 pm »
All Canadians have a moral obligation to protect our environment.

How?  Destroy all those who use any resources, or recycle your cans?

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« Reply #101 on: March 10, 2018, 09:05:16 pm »
All Canadians have a moral obligation to protect our environment.

We'll see how you squeal about your moral obligations if Alberta does shut off the tap..
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« Reply #102 on: March 10, 2018, 09:23:01 pm »
All Canadians have a moral obligation to protect our environment.
Except no Canadian does that. They consume energy, produce sewage and trash, destroy local ecosystems to make way for humans. It is simply dishonest for you to pick on oil shipments which are only a *hypothetical* problem while living off the spoils of the environmental devastation created by the simple existence of 2 million humans in the lower mainland.


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« Reply #103 on: March 10, 2018, 09:44:31 pm »
Except no Canadian does that. They consume energy, produce sewage and trash, destroy local ecosystems to make way for humans.

Agreed, but there are several orders of magnitude between different Canadians in that regard.

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« Reply #104 on: March 10, 2018, 09:54:21 pm »
Agreed, but there are several orders of magnitude between different Canadians in that regard.
Not really. The Canadian lifestyle takes a lot of energy to maintain. The differences in individual choices do not really affect the energy and resources consumed to keep society functioning on behalf of everyone. If anything, the people who posture by making "eco friendly" choices often consume more resources because "eco friendly" often means "less efficient/most costly".
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