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Offline Omni

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Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2018, 03:47:37 pm »
The comparison is not wrong even if you dislike it. Please explain why the f-you approach that many in BC take towards Alberta is any different that the f-you approach that Trump takes towards the US trading partners? Don't bother trying to claim that the "environmental" reasons claimed are any less bogus that the "dumping" claims the the Trump administration loves. They aren't.

You also ignored the more important part: BC joined the confederation and has benefit immensely and that means it has a moral and legal obligation to reciprocate.

If BC refuses to honour the constitution we will have a situation where the federal government will be forced to resort to extraordinary measures such as freezing all of the accounts of the government of BC. Many in BC may think they can shrug off bans on wine or loss of jet fuel shipments but these actions are just to make a point. The nuclear option exists and the sane people would look for a compromise that allows the pipeline to get built instead of pushing for a crisis where the nuclear option looks viable.

Yeah I don't think any bank accounts are going to be froze. But you are mostly correct that the federal government has the legal upper hand here, what it will boil down to is if they think it is worth spending the political capitol to use that upper hand.

Offline msj

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Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2018, 08:51:16 pm »
Too many people BC seem to admire Trump for his f-everyone else, screw your neighbors approach to diplomacy and a complete ignorance for facts or logic. Which is kind of ironic since most people in BC claim to despise the guy while they imitate him.

The core of this issue are the principles of confederation. BC joined the union and has benefit immensely and that means it has a moral and legal obligation to reciprocate. This means living with the risks that come with shipping goods from other provinces.

It is also ironic that all of oil/gas spills off the coast in the last few years have come from non-oil related shipping - something that accounts for >85% of the traffic in the port of Vancouver even when the pipeline expansion goes ahead.

This will get nasty before it ends. The federal government has a lot of power to force the BC government to comply.  The question is whether it will feel compeled to use it.

Weird that you use my post for your post.

I support the TMP.

I also support BC wine, AB beef, site c dam, solar and wind projects, natural gas plants and electric vehicles.

If such support eventually turns the oil sands upside down, well, that is something for those people to think about.

As for the feds having lots of power to use. Ok, fine, explain what power they can use and how this will effect future relations, impact future elections, etc because the fed Liberals make these calculations just like the fed CPC and NDP.

But then, it should be no surprise that the NDP governments from two provinces are going about in the mutual destruction of eachís economy: thatís what the NDP do. 
« Last Edit: February 11, 2018, 08:58:24 pm by msj »
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Offline TimG

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Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2018, 11:54:17 pm »
Weird that you use my post for your post.
Misunderstood your point.

As for the feds having lots of power to use. Ok, fine, explain what power they can use and how this will effect future relations, impact future elections, etc because the fed Liberals make these calculations just like the fed CPC and NDP.
Well, if BC breaking the constitution leads to Alberta doing the same they will really have no choice but to stand up for the constitution and demanding that everyone stop because that is the only position that can be logically sustained. More importantly, if BC is allowed to block pipelines then you will see resource investment in Canada plument to new lows as international investors look for some nice authoritarian regimes (the bribes may be costly but the projects can at least go ahead once they are paid).

In any case, the BC economy is largely based on real estate and completely dependent on outside money to keep the hamster wheel turning. If there is any sort housing bust BC will be begging the feds for help.


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Re: The Wreck of BC
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2018, 12:12:15 pm »
Yes, if the money laundering flow from Asia dissipates and the locals notice increasing interest rates then BC is n for big time trouble.

Of course, then BC may have to raise the money lost from declining property transfer taxes with pipeline land lease costs, I suppose. 

Section 92 of the Constitution: Seems what the Constitution gives it can also take away. 

If only our politicians would behave themselves then we all could have nice things.

Instead, the poop show will continue at the loss of jobs and higher taxes.  Again, this is the way of NDP governments and the feds are not helping.

The wreck of BC has just begun and who woulda thunk that the corrupt BC Liberals were just the appetizers.



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