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« Reply #750 on: April 19, 2018, 10:57:26 am »
The NEP is nothing more than a bogey man Albertans are spoon fed since they are children.  Itís practically indocrinated  into every Albertan that the scary federal guvmint tried to steal their **** and now they must hate Liberals and whine about transfer payments. 

Ironic that they are now siding with federal Liberal guvmint to oppose BCís stand on provincial authorities.

winner winner, chicken dinner!!! These revisionist types conveniently overlook the 2 lead-up global energy crisis within the 70s that precipitated the goals/intents of the National Energy Program. The absence of a national strategy/plan is what acted to position Canada/provinces as lapdogs to the U.S. BigOil companies... to not being actual players. Perhaps these forever whining malcontents might ask themselves what the state of pipelines across Canada might be with a natural strategy/plan... like NEP.
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« Reply #751 on: April 19, 2018, 11:00:14 am »
Alberta doesn't send any money to Ottawa, but if you took a second to actually read and understand waldo's post you would know that

You saying Alberta and Albertans don't pay taxes? What do you think equalization actually means if it doesn't mean the unequal transfer of revenues between provinces?
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« Reply #752 on: April 19, 2018, 11:05:28 am »
You saying Alberta and Albertans don't pay taxes? What do you think equalization actually means if it doesn't mean the unequal transfer of revenues between provinces?

equalization is a tool - it is not indicative of overall equality of the disbursement of federal monies to respective provinces... here, I'll try again:



the equalization play is meaningless in the face of actual tax bases contributing to federal coffers... equally, the tired talking point about "giving and not receiving" is disingenuous for anyone to use equalization monies as "the determiner" in presumed inequality in the share of dispersed federal monies.

equalization monies, proper, are relatively mice-nuts small in relation to overall federal revenues and TOTAL federal expenditures to the respective provinces. There is no such thing as an "equalization transfer of Alberta monies" to the federal government. What you're really speaking to is the difference between revenues and expenditures... in that regard, more pointedly, the federal government does not receive anything directly from any province; rather, federal taxes/revenue are collected WITHIN a respective province, not FROM a respective province... be that personal income tax, corporate income tax, GST, investment income, etc. And most pointedly, federal expenditures to the provinces are, of course, more than just the so-called 'formal transfers' like health (CHT), social (CST) and equalization... they also include all manner of spending like for infrastructure, transportation, education, national defence, grant/funds for recreation & cultural events/festivals, environment, security, etc..

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« Reply #753 on: April 19, 2018, 11:05:57 am »
winner winner, chicken dinner!!! These revisionist types conveniently overlook the 2 lead-up global energy crisis within the 70s that precipitated the goals/intents of the National Energy Program. The absence of a national strategy/plan is what acted to position Canada/provinces as lapdogs to the U.S. BigOil companies... to not being actual players. Perhaps these forever whining malcontents might ask themselves what the state of pipelines across Canada might be with a natural strategy/plan... like NEP.

So you would be good with the Feds imposing a special tax on the auto industry and using it to subsidize vehicle buyers in Western provinces.
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« Reply #754 on: April 19, 2018, 11:07:14 am »
equalization is a tool - it is not indicative of overall equality of the disbursement of federal monies to respective provinces... here, I'll try again:

There isn't equality in the disbursement of federal monies. That's the point.
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« Reply #755 on: April 19, 2018, 11:10:48 am »
There isn't equality in the disbursement of federal monies. That's the point.

yeesh! Again, equalization payments are not the only kind of disbursement of federal monies!

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« Reply #756 on: April 19, 2018, 11:15:35 am »
yeesh! Again, equalization payments are not the only kind of disbursement of federal monies!

I know that so Iíll ask you the same question, WTF is equalization because all I have heard from you is a bunch of bafflegab about what it isnít.
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« Reply #757 on: April 19, 2018, 11:17:03 am »
So you would be good with the Feds imposing a special tax on the auto industry and using it to subsidize vehicle buyers in Western provinces.

please rephrase to recognize goals to boost Canadian ownership in the auto industry, to make Canada a self-sufficient auto producer and to increase the federal share of auto industry revenue

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« Reply #758 on: April 19, 2018, 11:20:30 am »
There isn't equality in the disbursement of federal monies. That's the point.

no - if your sole basis for determining that is simply the Equalization Program, you have no basis to offer qualification on equality of federal money disbursement to provinces. Try to read my post again... I shouldn't have to repeat it for a third time!

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« Reply #759 on: April 19, 2018, 11:40:02 am »
You miss the point. Either we are a confederacy and federal resources are shared federally or we're just a collective of disparate provincial interests going it alone.

If we're a confederacy which shares in resources then individual provinces should not be permitted to block the export of those resources given the profits go to all of Canada.
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« Reply #760 on: April 19, 2018, 11:42:35 am »
please rephrase to recognize goals to boost Canadian ownership in the auto industry, to make Canada a self-sufficient auto producer and to increase the federal share of auto industry revenue

No, why should I. The tax imposed by the NEP was used to subsidize consumers of imported oil.

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« Reply #761 on: April 19, 2018, 11:48:12 am »
no - if your sole basis for determining that is simply the Equalization Program, you have no basis to offer qualification on equality of federal money disbursement to provinces. Try to read my post again... I shouldn't have to repeat it for a third time!

I read your post and you still havenít explained what it is.
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« Reply #762 on: April 19, 2018, 12:06:00 pm »
No, why should I. The tax imposed by the NEP was used to subsidize consumers of imported oil.

clearly you're not a big-picture thinker! A national strategy/plan wouldn't see Canada importing oil today... it would have positioned Canada to be a leader in self-determination of it's resource base for domestic use and export intent. I expect your next false/revisionist NEP talking point will be that it caused the world-wide bursting of the oil bubble... with the resulting global oil glut plunging the world into economic recession.

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« Reply #763 on: April 19, 2018, 12:10:02 pm »
I read your post and you still havenít explained what it is.

you've finally read it! Great... I expect that should dispense with any more of your nonsensical statements about the relative equality of federal expenditures. Since you're the one having trouble understanding the Equalization Program and where it actually positions in terms of overall federal expenditures, you need to, as you say, "explain what it is". Please proceed Governor!

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« Reply #764 on: April 19, 2018, 12:20:24 pm »
clearly you're not a big-picture thinker! A national strategy/plan wouldn't see Canada importing oil today... it would have positioned Canada to be a leader in self-determination of it's resource base for domestic use and export intent. I expect your next false/revisionist NEP talking point will be that it caused the world-wide bursting of the oil bubble... with the resulting global oil glut plunging the world into economic recession.

A national strategy would have included an energy east pipeline. No?
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