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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Terror attack in Edmonton
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2017, 12:27:14 pm »
Well I always have a pocket knife handy, of course, but it's not any use if things get stabby. 

heeeeyyyyy!! NOT reassuring!


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The real issue isn't being armed or unarmed, or having bear spray or being a kung fu person who can kill a man with your little finger. The issue is situational awareness. I doubt either of those women in Marseilles had a clue some wack job was going to stab them until the knife was cutting into them.
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Re: Terror attack in Edmonton
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2017, 12:36:31 pm »
The real issue isn't being armed or unarmed, or having bear spray or being a kung fu person who can kill a man with your little finger. The issue is situational awareness. I doubt either of those women in Marseilles had a clue some wack job was going to stab them until the knife was cutting into them.

Yeah, but imagine if I'd been stood there with bearspray when all those people helping the cop in Edmonton ran away as the nutjob started stabbing him.

It couldn't have hurt...
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Re: Terror attack in Edmonton
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2017, 04:23:19 pm »
Yeah, but imagine if I'd been stood there with bearspray when all those people helping the cop in Edmonton ran away as the nutjob started stabbing him.

It couldn't have hurt...

Oh I agree. I was looking at it more in the context of being attacked out of the blue like happened in Marseilles, of rot hat matter, Edmonton. I mean, the cop never had a chance to draw his gun.
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Re: Terror attack in Edmonton
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2017, 05:20:52 pm »
So, should I start carrying my Bowie knife around?

I was reading that Islamists in France have been stabbing western harlot women, and not to sound paranoid but I'm exactly the sort of godless immodest sinning harlot they'd probably stab.

If this is in Canada now, I kind of feel like I ought to be ready to stab back if need be.

Well a knife won't be much good vs a truck coming at you.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2017, 07:33:55 pm »
US tried to deport our Edmonton terrorist back to Somalia in 2011, but released him from border & customs control because there wasn't any way of deporting him in the forseeable future.  He showed up in Canada in 2012, was granted refugee status, and was investigated for espousing extremist ideology.  But there wasn't enough evidence to do anything about that.   
https://globalnews.ca/news/3783935/abdulahi-sharif-accused-in-edmonton-attacks-ordered-deported-to-somalia-in-2011-u-s-officials/?utm_source=GlobalEdmonton&utm_medium=Facebook



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Re: Terror attack in Edmonton
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2017, 05:36:37 am »
  He showed up in Canada in 2012, was granted refugee status, and was investigated for espousing extremist ideology.  But there wasn't enough evidence to do anything about that.     

We may see the political play on this today.  And that will inform us on Sheer's likely approach on immigration moving forward.

ON the reality side, this is a complete failure of the system of course.

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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2017, 11:45:31 am »
We may see the political play on this today.  And that will inform us on Sheer's likely approach on immigration moving forward.

ON the reality side, this is a complete failure of the system of course.

The reality side? What an odd place for anyone but a conservative to want to be. Yes, its a complete failure. It's a complete failure that thousands more Somalians have been coming across the border to claim refugee status this summer, half of them with serious criminal records, but none of them has been locked up to be immediately deported. It's a complete failure of the system that half the Haitians who have applied and been granted a hearing have won their cases.  The refugee determination system is a joke. Almost none of the people who apply are refugees by any reasonable standard. That especially includes those crossing the border from the US. Few will ever be productive citizens and even fewer will ever wind up paying much, if any taxes. Yet they represent a sizable percentage of our immigration every year. And, to what I assume is no one's surprise, our acceptance rate for refugees shot up last year, the first full year under the Liberals. It's now up to 66%. So we shrug and accept 2/3rds of the people who apply. The rates were about 38% under the tories. The success rate for Somalians is now 72%. They have the system down pat by now and know exactly what stories to tell (no evidence is ever required).  And hell  the guy in charge is a Somalian refugee!

As to the cost of bringing in tens of thousands of people every year, mostly Muslim, few of which have any kind of education, technical or language skills - you're not supposed to even ask.
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Re: Terror attack in Edmonton
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2017, 02:27:02 pm »
Whining about immigrants again, yet not a word about actual murders that happen in Canada like this one that was recently reported on: https://globalnews.ca/news/3729886/wife-sons-charged-in-tofield-mans-2011-murder/

Odd how this garners so much more attention and nobody died. It even gets people like SirJohn all riled up about locking out the Muslim menace. Yet, not a word about actual murders that are in the news.

SirJohn, how come crime only matters to you when the perpetrators aren't white?

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Re: Terror attack in Edmonton
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2017, 03:35:00 pm »
Whining about immigrants again, yet not a word about actual murders that happen in Canada like this one that was recently reported on: https://globalnews.ca/news/3729886/wife-sons-charged-in-tofield-mans-2011-murder/

Odd how this garners so much more attention and nobody died. It even gets people like SirJohn all riled up about locking out the Muslim menace. Yet, not a word about actual murders that are in the news.

You want to talk about violent crime? I can do that. I can post a whole series of stories of violent crime by immigrants if that will turn your crank. I can repost those wanted posters showing that virtually everyone on the list of most wanted across the country is non-white. Will that be something you would like to discuss?

My specific post was about refugees. Do you have anything intelligent to say on that subject or are you just spewing your usual self-righteous social justice warrior rants again?
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Re: Terror attack in Edmonton
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2017, 04:09:42 pm »
You want to talk about violent crime? I can do that. I can post a whole series of stories of violent crime by immigrants if that will turn your crank. I can repost those wanted posters showing that virtually everyone on the list of most wanted across the country is non-white. Will that be something you would like to discuss?

Immigrants and refugees are actually less likely to commit crimes than native born Canadians, so I have to call bull on that one.
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« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2017, 05:41:48 pm »
The reality side? What an odd place for anyone but a conservative to want to be. 

It's not just conservatives that want to be there.  There are plenty of calls for rational thinking when it comes to hysterical reactions to immigration that come from left-of-centre.

I would say that neither side enjoys reality as much as they enjoy identity.

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« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2017, 12:21:45 pm »
Immigrants and refugees are actually less likely to commit crimes than native born Canadians, so I have to call bull on that one.

Cite? We do not keep crime statistics based either on race or on national origin. The government keeps some stats but as far as I'm aware those are entirely based on those who are in the process, not those already have their passport. Which doesn't take long and will soon take even less time, given the Liberals' new legislation. Perhaps you could explain this to me?  http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/wanted or perhaps this http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/ottawas-most-wanted-have-you-seen-these-men
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« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2017, 01:30:24 am »
Some conclusions from a Corrections Canada study on visible minorities in the prison system:
--Visible minority offenders tend to be younger and less often single than Caucasian offenders.
--They are more educated and more often employed upon admission to the correctional facility.
--A larger proportion of visible minority than Caucasian offenders are incarcerated for drug-related offences.
--Smaller proportions are incarcerated for other offences, such as property offences and sex-related offences.
--Visible minority offenders have less extensive criminal histories than Caucasian offenders.
--Visible minority offenders tend to be lower risk to re-offend.
http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/research/r144-eng.shtml

The paper in this link is 59 pages worth of someone's study of immigrant crime.  The author's conclusion is that crime rate goes down in neighborhoods where immigrants settle.     https://tinyurl.com/immlcrime

An article summarizing studies done on both the States and Canada showing that first-generation immigrants are very law-abiding - much more so than non-immigrants; second generation immigrants trend toward non-immigrant crime rates.  (This article is a bit long, but interesting).
https://www.cifar.ca/assets/arrival-of-the-fittest-canadas-crime-rate-is-dropping-as-immigration-increases-is-there-a-connection/

Another study about immigrant youth and crime, more focused on risk factors and protective factors, but again notes that immigrant youth are not more likely to be involved in crime than non-immigrant youth.
 https://sites.ualberta.ca/~pcerii/WorkingPapers/WP0209.pdf






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Re: Terror attack in Edmonton
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2017, 01:43:04 pm »
I'll skim through them when I have time, but none of that explains why 0ver 90% of those on the RCMP and Ottawa police wanted lists are visible minority members.
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