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Offline Granny

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #286 on: May 24, 2019, 09:20:44 am »
Credit downgrade for Ontario:
Moody’s downgrades Ontario’s credit rating, citing deficit, revenue cuts under Doug Ford
https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/moodys-downgrades-ontarios-credit-rating-from-aa3-to-aa2-citing-deficit


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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #287 on: May 24, 2019, 10:34:46 am »
Looks like the popularity of the Ford government has collapsed...

From: https://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/ford-pc-support-collapses-while-liberal-voters-prefer-tory-as-their-leader/
Premier Ford has a net favourability rating of -53.5%. By comparison, Wynne’s net favourability rating stood at -35.3% on April 30th, 2018....The poll also surveyed Ontarians who they would vote for if an election were held today. Among decided and leaning voters, the Liberals with interim leader John Fraser at the helm have 39.9% (+13.9% since April), while the NDP have 24.2% (-2.4%). The PCs have 22.4% (-10%), while the Greens have 12% (+3%).

I find it quite surprising that conservative support has gone down so quickly. They're less than half way through their mandate, the economy is doing OK (apart from a few problems, but at least some of those problems had external causes). He has made a lot of budget cuts, but I don't think any of the cuts would have had much time to filter down to the level where they affect services. And there have been no big scandals as of yet.

People who voted for the conservatives should have had an idea what they were getting.

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #288 on: May 25, 2019, 07:51:27 am »
Someone is floating John Tory as Liberal leaders.

Now that would be a delicious turn.

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #289 on: May 31, 2019, 02:17:37 pm »
Looks like the popularity of the Ford government has collapsed...

From: https://www.mainstreetresearch.ca/ford-pc-support-collapses-while-liberal-voters-prefer-tory-as-their-leader/
Premier Ford has a net favourability rating of -53.5%. By comparison, Wynne’s net favourability rating stood at -35.3% on April 30th, 2018....The poll also surveyed Ontarians who they would vote for if an election were held today. Among decided and leaning voters, the Liberals with interim leader John Fraser at the helm have 39.9% (+13.9% since April), while the NDP have 24.2% (-2.4%). The PCs have 22.4% (-10%), while the Greens have 12% (+3%).

I find it quite surprising that conservative support has gone down so quickly. They're less than half way through their mandate, the economy is doing OK (apart from a few problems, but at least some of those problems had external causes). He has made a lot of budget cuts, but I don't think any of the cuts would have had much time to filter down to the level where they affect services. And there have been no big scandals as of yet.

People who voted for the conservatives should have had an idea what they were getting.

Ford announced total cut of special needs support for Autistic kids, then wondered why Special Olympians booed him ?
People do know the effect the budget cuts will have on them.
I don't think parents of Autistic kids ever expected that ALL of their Special Needs educational support funding would be totally axed. That cut potentially affects kids in every school, every community - urban-rural, Conservative or not Conservative. Not only each kid and their parents, but just might affect the votes of their extended family, friends, neighbours, professional staff ... and Ford was surprised to be booed by Special Olympians?! 
The reactions were immediate to such announcements.

Ford announced cuts to flood prevention and remediation, then stands in an Ottawa flood zone crowing about how he's going to help them?

His answers ... 'I was told there's some waste there.'
'That's what I was told.' ... taking no responsibility, passing the blame to some anonymous others (Who are "they'"?), providing absolutely no intelligent rationale or accounting for cuts.
That ignorance and arrogance is not going over very well with his own voters at all, who expected at least some logical explanation.
'Somebody told me too' just isn't good enough.
He just gets more and more ridiculous each day.

It does not escape the notice of ordinary folks either, that he just handed a pile of dough (tax cuts) to his rich business cronies, at the expense of (eg) Autistic kids.
Pretty bad 'optics'.
I doubt that 'They told me they needed it' is going over well. Lol
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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #290 on: May 31, 2019, 03:03:17 pm »
He's botching it, quickly and in obvious ways.


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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #291 on: May 31, 2019, 04:00:01 pm »
Ford announced cuts to flood prevention and remediation, then stands in an Ottawa flood zone crowing about how he's going to help them?

Did he bring a load of paper towels to help?

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #292 on: May 31, 2019, 06:34:18 pm »
Did he bring a load of paper towels to help?
Haha haha!

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #293 on: May 31, 2019, 06:36:07 pm »
People are Finally Noticing Ontario's Spending Was Not 'Out of Control':
Once a particular narrative takes hold in the public mind, no matter how divorced it is from reality, it can be extremely hard to dislodge.
https://raisethehammer.org/article/3646

Contemporary politics in Canada can be crazy-making. A simplistic lie, repeated often and shamelessly enough, starts to take on the air of truth. And once a particular narrative takes hold in the public mind, no matter how divorced it is from reality, it can be extremely hard to dislodge.

Case in point: per capita public revenue and spending in this province were the lowest in Canada during the previous Liberal government, while the per capita debt grew fairly modestly during a severe recession and actually declined for the last three years of that government.

This directly contradicts the prevailing narrative that public spending was "out of control" under the Liberals and that the debt has reached crisis levels. Ontario Premier Doug Ford recently went so far as to claim absurdly that the province is "bankrupt".

Disproving these strategic lies was not difficult.
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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #294 on: June 01, 2019, 09:38:28 am »
I can't help but notice that Doug Ford's defenders are surprisingly silent on here. Lol

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #295 on: June 01, 2019, 09:42:49 am »
I can't help but notice that Doug Ford's defenders are surprisingly silent on here. Lol

Because he's an idiot.

Classroom sizes are being cut back next year.  Meanwhile, some teachers who are permanent now don't have classes to teach but can't be fired so will be literally doing mostly jack-all next school year while on the payroll.

FYI i'm not a Doug Ford supporter.
I can tell how good of a person you are by how you treat the people you disagree with.

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #296 on: June 01, 2019, 10:47:40 am »

Classroom sizes are being cut back next year.  Meanwhile, some teachers who are permanent now don't have classes to teach but can't be fired so will be literally doing mostly jack-all next school year while on the payroll.
They maybe won't have classes, but there is always more than enough work to go around in education.

Over 31,000 kids on the Autistic-spectrum (ASD) just had Special program supports cancelled.
Only 8000+ were currently receiving that educational support (23000+ on the waiting list) because it was already insufficient for the demands.
That educational support included Applied Behaviour Analysis program specialists who have really helped many Autistic students succeed via an intensive 1 to 1 program. And it also included 1-to-1 support of an Educational Assistant where needed.

The government is spinning some devious myths to mislead the general public into believing that it's still providing ASD program funds.
This entire page, for example, may appear to the casual reader to show plenty of supports for ASD students:
http://www.edu.gov.on.ca/eng/policyfunding/memos/march2019/dm-supporting-students-with-autism-spectrum-disorder.html
But what it's really saying is that ASD special program funds are now nonexistent, and funding for special programs for ASD kids will now be taken out of the existing regular Special Education budgets, already stretched to the max. supporting the needs of a wide variety of students with learning difficulties (but not ASD).

See, it's confusing even trying to explain how they're trying to confuse you. Lol

But ... Ford and his policy handlers (mostly very young and cutthroat political campaign staff, elevated to positions of great power once elected) may think they can snow the general public ... but there are ASD kids in every community whose parents/family/friends are vocal advocates for them. I've seen very vocal letters/posts of strong opposition to these cuts from people/families/ridings that have been Tory-blue since Canada was born.

If Ford keeps up the dunderhead cuts to kids while padding the pockets of his rich cronies, he may be the one to crack wide open the 150 year Tory-blue hold on much of rural/small-town Ontario.

So ... Go Dougie Go!!!
The more stupidity the better.  Lol

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #297 on: June 04, 2019, 12:52:11 pm »
I support in principle Ford's attempts to address the huge debt Wynne and McGuinty have placed Ontario in. Its never easy to cut services everyone wants but can't afford.

The timing or target of his reforms of course will be unpopular and sometimes questionable. No one likes cuts.
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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #298 on: June 04, 2019, 03:17:38 pm »
I support in principle Ford's attempts to address the huge debt Wynne and McGuinty have placed Ontario in.

You mean the huge debt created by the destruction of Ontario Hydro through the 1988 (Progressive Conservative - Mike Harris) Electricity Act, and selling off of good revenue producing assets like the 407ETR at firesale prices by Mike Harris.

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #299 on: June 04, 2019, 04:04:51 pm »
I support in principle Ford's attempts to address the huge debt Wynne and McGuinty have placed Ontario in. Its never easy to cut services everyone wants but can't afford.

The timing or target of his reforms of course will be unpopular and sometimes questionable. No one likes cuts.

Your support is tepid, as it should be. 

I feel that the amount of taxes we pay should be cut slightly, and repurposed to give a much better safety net, and better value.  This discussion of value happens today but it's an arcane process.