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Offline TimG

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« Reply #360 on: December 20, 2018, 11:14:05 am »
Canada is one of the world's worst offenders when it comes to GHGs.
Completely false. Canada's emissions are insignificant. The atmosphere does not care about per capita emissions. It only cares about total emissions.
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« Reply #361 on: December 20, 2018, 11:15:02 am »
Canada is one of the world's worst offenders when it comes to GHGs.

Per capita yes, as a percentage of total emissions, not even close. So work on reducing our own emissions, what does that have to do with exports?
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« Reply #362 on: December 20, 2018, 11:16:12 am »
Canada is one of the world's worst offenders when it comes to GHGs.

Last time I looked we were not that bad, compared to the really big boys, but even so, if Canada suddenly stopped producing, do you think that would reduce overall emissions? 

Or do you think the fuel might come from somewhere else?
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« Reply #363 on: December 20, 2018, 11:17:28 am »
So what do you depend on for your livelyhood? How would feel is a bunch of self absorbed zealots decided that your job should be eliminated because it offends their religious beliefs?

The carbon tax is going to cost me personally money.  This has nothing to do with zealotry - we're running out of the time to reverse what is quickly becoming a crisis.  I don't care if it means that Albertans or Canadians in general have to be a bit less well off.  The selfish attitude is the problem with the world today.
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« Reply #364 on: December 20, 2018, 11:18:09 am »
Coal is also on its way out.  LNG and hydro are worlds cleaner than either coal or oil.

Vancouver is the continents biggest coal exporter. Oh wait, most of it doesn't come from Alberta. US coal is OK.
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« Reply #365 on: December 20, 2018, 11:20:45 am »
Vancouver is the continents biggest coal exporter. Oh wait, most of it doesn't come from Alberta. US coal is OK.

Why do you think I'm okay with coal?

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« Reply #366 on: December 20, 2018, 11:23:09 am »
Why do you think I'm okay with coal?


I don't know, you never mention it. Interestingly , neither does squid.

Vancouver has been expanding the coal port BTW, odd for something that is on the way out.
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« Reply #367 on: December 20, 2018, 11:27:34 am »
The problem is, with a few exceptions, everyone knows it has nothing to do with the planet.  The pipelines Canada proposes might actually help.  The effect on AGW would be negligible, and our product is better regulated than just about any other.  The stuff goes by rail, and we know where that can lead.  What it's about, mainly, is pettiness.  Most of those in BC would either like to stick it to Alberta, stick it to big business, or just get photographed lying down in front of a bulldozer while wearing a woolly hat and carrying a copy of the Georgia Straight. 

If they wanted a planet to live on they wouldn't export coal, build LNG plants or flood large swathes of it.

The BC you  refer to exists mostly on the lower mainland north of the Fraser river and Vancouver Island. Don't paint us all with the same brush. There are two different BC's.
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« Reply #368 on: December 20, 2018, 11:31:17 am »
The carbon tax is going to cost me personally money.  This has nothing to do with zealotry - we're running out of the time to reverse what is quickly becoming a crisis.  I don't care if it means that Albertans or Canadians in general have to be a bit less well off.  The selfish attitude is the problem with the world today.

The problem with this is twofold.  You would have to be a lot less well off, not just a bit, and (and this is the important bit) so would everyone else.  And they would all have to want to be.  We saw what happened in France when Macron tried to to make the French a bit less well off.  Imagine what will happen when we try to make the whole world as less well off as it's going to take to reverse AGW.
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« Reply #369 on: December 20, 2018, 11:34:47 am »
The BC you  refer to exists mostly on the lower mainland north of the Fraser river and Vancouver Island. Don't paint us all with the same brush.

I know.  I lived there for over twenty years.  Differentiating would take some time if we did it with every post. 


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« Reply #370 on: December 20, 2018, 11:38:03 am »
I know.  I lived there for over twenty years.  Differentiating would take some time if we did it with every post.

I suppose. I lived in Alberta for awhile and the same goes for them.
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« Reply #371 on: December 20, 2018, 11:38:41 am »
Don’t even bother bringing up Northern Gateway...  that was dead before it started.   Even I would’ve gone up there and chained myself to a skidder.   BC was never going to accept that nonsense.

Yeah, but what about the duty to accommodate?
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« Reply #372 on: December 20, 2018, 11:55:51 am »
we're running out of the time to reverse what is quickly becoming a crisis.
First, this a religious belief. Not a fact. The actual science (not the crap spewed in the media) has a huge range of plausible outcomes and the most extreme claims are not plausible at all even if they can't be ruled out. Second, they have been saying we have '10 years to save the planet' for last 30 years. Every time the deadline has come and gone and society continues on its merry way. At some point everyone will realize that these alarmists are snake oil merchants. Change will come, we will adapt and move on.

Finally, my comment was not about you paying a bit more taxes. I was asking how would you feel if you lost your livelihood because some religious zealots decided your job offended them. That is what is happening Alberta today.
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« Reply #373 on: December 20, 2018, 12:08:01 pm »
First, this a religious belief. Not a fact. The actual science (not the crap spewed in the media) has a huge range of plausible outcomes and the most extreme claims are not plausible at all even if they can't be ruled out. Second, they have been saying we have '10 years to save the planet' for last 30 years. Every time the deadline has come and gone and society continues on its merry way. At some point everyone will realize that these alarmists are snake oil merchants. Change will come, we will adapt and move on.

Finally, my comment was not about you paying a bit more taxes. I was asking how would you feel if you lost your livelihood because some religious zealots decided your job offended them. That is what is happening Alberta today.

You actually think that ~97% of the worlds peer reviewed climate scientists are driven by "religion"? I rather doubt that.

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« Reply #374 on: December 20, 2018, 12:17:20 pm »
You actually think that ~97% of the worlds peer reviewed climate scientists are driven by "religion"? I rather doubt that.
The 97% figure that you love to quote has been debunked over and over again. The fact that you still repeat it over and over again is a perfect example of your own religious zealotry.

A person who cared about the science (not you) would understand that the science is complex and there are many different issues. Some are well understood and others are not. Scientists agree on some issues but disagree on others. Understanding climate science requires that one understand how the state of knowledge changes depending on the topic being discussed.
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