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Offline wilber

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« Reply #330 on: December 19, 2018, 06:05:40 pm »
Stop sniveling about it!  That’s the way it should work!   More oil than ever has been removed from the tar sands!  And yet they whine and snivel about how hard done by they are.  And want to separate from Canada.   Well, time to go.  The rest of the country is tired of uneducated hicks who make more money than most people in the country whining about how hard done by they are.

Uneducated hicks. That says it all.
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« Reply #331 on: December 19, 2018, 06:30:55 pm »
Uneducated hicks. That says it all.

Does it?   Apparently, we’re a bunch of tofu eating tree huggers here on the coast.  Doesn’t that “say it all”?

“Speaker at rally says Alberta oil 'puts tofu on the table in Vancouver'”
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« Reply #332 on: December 19, 2018, 06:35:46 pm »
Congested waters? There is **** all else up there.

Unless you count cruise ships in the summer.

A lot of rocks and lot of narrow channels.
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« Reply #333 on: December 19, 2018, 06:39:05 pm »
Does it?   Apparently, we’re a bunch of tofu eating tree huggers here on the coast.  Doesn’t that “say it all”?

“Speaker at rally says Alberta oil 'puts tofu on the table in Vancouver'”

Pompous ass would be an appropriate reply.
I live on the coast.
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« Reply #334 on: December 19, 2018, 06:41:33 pm »
A lot of rocks and lot of narrow channels.
Nonsense, the Americans have been shipping oil out of Valdez for 35 years. Look at a map and compare Valdez with Grassy Point.
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« Reply #335 on: December 19, 2018, 06:52:47 pm »
The channel at Grassy point is nowhere near as long or narrow as the one the LNG tankers will be using from Kitimat.
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« Reply #336 on: December 19, 2018, 07:03:04 pm »
Well with global warming getting into full swing at least the tankers won't have to worry much about ice. Maybe just keep an eye out for the Carnival Cruise ships though.
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« Reply #337 on: December 19, 2018, 07:28:04 pm »
Well with global warming getting into full swing at least the tankers won't have to worry much about ice. Maybe just keep an eye out for the Carnival Cruise ships though.
What ice? It’s East Coast tankers that have to deal with ice.
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« Reply #338 on: December 19, 2018, 09:23:10 pm »
My favourite Alberta separatism delusion is the one where people think an independent Alberta could get a pipeline to tidewater through the USA. 

If USA was to build Alberta a pipeline so Alberta could get a higher price for oil, then the USA would have to pay more for that oil. 

It’s delusional to think that they would ever be dumb enough to do that.

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« Reply #339 on: December 19, 2018, 10:05:53 pm »
Notley is right, AB doesn't need loans, it needs the ability to simply trade its product, which means pipelines.  The markets have worked very well for AB business.  Not much Trudeau can do at this point, without a notwithstanding clause, but he ain't gonna pull that on native rights.
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« Reply #340 on: December 19, 2018, 10:07:32 pm »
Nonsense, the Americans have been shipping oil out of Valdez for 35 years. Look at a map and compare Valdez with Grassy Point.

No major spills while shipping to Alaska....
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« Reply #341 on: December 19, 2018, 10:09:41 pm »
Notley is right, AB doesn't need loans, it needs the ability to simply trade its product, which means pipelines.  The markets have worked very well for AB business.  Not much Trudeau can do at this point, without a notwithstanding clause, but he ain't gonna pull that on native rights.

The notwithstanding clause can't be used against Section 35.

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« Reply #342 on: December 19, 2018, 11:56:14 pm »
No major spills while shipping to Alaska....

I’m assuming you mean from Alaska.
30 years since Exxon Valdez and a lot has changed with ships and shipping since then. We learned a few things from the Titanic too.

Aside from things like double hulled tankers and rules about how they are operated, there was no GPS in use back then. Commercial shipping was still using things like DECCA and LORAN.
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« Reply #343 on: December 20, 2018, 12:25:13 am »
I’m assuming you mean from Alaska.
30 years since Exxon Valdez and a lot has changed with ships and shipping since then. We learned a few things from the Titanic too.

Aside from things like double hulled tankers and rules about how they are operated, there was no GPS in use back then. Commercial shipping was still using things like DECCA and LORAN.

Yes, I did mean from - they’re treacherous waters - Vancouver is a far better port, even if it’s not ideal.

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« Reply #344 on: December 20, 2018, 02:31:55 am »
What a complete load of CRAP. Alberta never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, had a net transfer to the rest of the country of anywhere near a fraction of that amount. Even in the years of being a have not province, Ontario every single year contributed more to the rest of the country than Alberta. Every single **** year.

The figures were taken right from the article JMT linked. Here's the research paper they're based on (PDF):

https://econ.ucalgary.ca/manageprofile/sites/econ.ucalgary.ca.manageprofile/files/unitis/publications/1-9016260/Tombe_2018_CTJ_-_Transfers_in_Canada.pdf

Section 4, starting at page 24, explains why the government doesn't spend as much money in Alberta-- fewer old-people, generally lower transfers to poor and unemployed people, lower spending on federal employees and infrastructure and things like Canadian Forces than in many other provinces.

As for Ontario...

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Federal personal income taxes per capita from Ontario, for example, are higher than average, but this is more than compensated for by higher than average levels of government purchases there.

To paraphrase Patrick Ewing: We make a lot of money (in Ontario)... but we spend a lot of money (in Ontario.)

Table 7 provides an eye-opening summary of net federal transfer of money, normalized relative to GDP.

Repeat after me - ONTARIO - ONTARIO

Even in the "have not" years, far more federal tax dollars (what goes into equalization) were collected in Ontario than were spent in the province - more than Alberta. Alberta is not alone in propping up the country, just the loudest.

Clearly not true.  Maybe you've failed to consider all those salaries being paid to federal workers who live in Ontario.

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