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« Reply #300 on: December 19, 2018, 10:43:32 am »
Trudeau has blocked tankers on the north coast against the will of FN who want to build their own line. The government did zero consultation before imposing the ban, they just knuckled under to a bunch of US funded activists.

It’s not like it had anything to do with the environmental catastrophe that an oil spill would cause.
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« Reply #301 on: December 19, 2018, 10:48:10 am »
It’s not like it had anything to do with the environmental catastrophe that an oil spill would cause.

Yeah, but what about the duty to accommodate?
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« Reply #302 on: December 19, 2018, 11:14:43 am »
how 'talking pointish' of you! What's the magic needed to extend beyond the judicial decision's described 'note-taking'... as in what degree/level of accommodation is needed? And since you're so opinionated on this, what's the degree/level of accommodation you're accepting to?

You could read her ruling.
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« Reply #303 on: December 19, 2018, 11:15:45 am »
It’s not like it had anything to do with the environmental catastrophe that an oil spill would cause.

How do think oil gets anywhere in this world?
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« Reply #304 on: December 19, 2018, 01:02:54 pm »
Don’t even bother bringing up Northern Gateway...  that was dead before it started.   Even I would’ve gone up there and chained myself to a skidder.   BC was never going to accept that nonsense.
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« Reply #305 on: December 19, 2018, 01:09:06 pm »
You could read her ruling.

You didn’t read it...   because if you did, you wouldn’t be on about “Canada doesn’t need to accommodate”. 

Paragraph 754 of the ruling specifically mentions accommodation.   And there have been many court rulings that say accommodation is part of the First Nations consultation process.

Read Part C of the following:
https://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100014664/1100100014675#chp3
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« Reply #306 on: December 19, 2018, 01:13:24 pm »
You didn’t read it...   because if you did, you wouldn’t be on about “Canada doesn’t need to accommodate”. 

Paragraph 754 of the ruling specifically mentions accommodation.   And there have been many court rulings that say accommodation is part of the First Nations consultation process.

Read Part C of the following:
https://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100014664/1100100014675#chp3

Poor choice of words on my part. Accommodation can mean many things. The SC has already ruled that FN do not have a veto on projects.
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« Reply #307 on: December 19, 2018, 01:15:45 pm »
Don’t even bother bringing up Northern Gateway...  that was dead before it started.   Even I would’ve gone up there and chained myself to a skidder.   BC was never going to accept that nonsense.
Trouble is, Trudeau killed any other options with his tanker ban. Now he is fighting local FN over that.
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« Reply #308 on: December 19, 2018, 01:20:56 pm »
Poor choice of words on my part. Accommodation can mean many things. The SC has already ruled that FN do not have a veto on projects.

That’s a Straw Man.  No one said anything about a veto.
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« Reply #309 on: December 19, 2018, 01:27:36 pm »
That’s a Straw Man.  No one said anything about a veto.
Not really, where does the obligation to accommodate end? It has to be somewhere.
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« Reply #310 on: December 19, 2018, 01:39:06 pm »
Not really, where does the obligation to accommodate end? It has to be somewhere.

 So, who said they had a veto?  Did you read my link?

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« Reply #311 on: December 19, 2018, 01:40:47 pm »
So, who said they had a veto?  Did you read my link?

I never said you did, I said accommodation doesn't mean granting a veto.
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« Reply #312 on: December 19, 2018, 01:47:03 pm »
I never said you did, I said accommodation doesn't mean granting a veto.

NO ONE said it did!!!!    ::)

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« Reply #313 on: December 19, 2018, 02:26:17 pm »
Let's not get too carried away with this separatism nonsense. If we start chopping up Canada we'll all end up being Americans. Not for me!
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« Reply #314 on: December 19, 2018, 03:36:40 pm »
That’s a Straw Man.  No one said anything about a veto.
Spare us this disingenuous BS. The FN expect a veto and will keep going back to court if the government does not do what they demand which ensures projects are endlessly delayed which can be as effective as a veto. On top of that you have plenty of politicians saying that the FN have a veto.

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