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Offline MAGA Graham

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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2018, 11:34:49 am »
Yes good luck with any trade other than with the US as a land-locked country.  And then it 50 years when people aren't using much oil anymore they'll be exporting corn and beef.  I get them being frustrated though, but I don't think Ottawa has been acting anti-Alberta.

I think Trudeau has tried with the pipeline, it's not his fault, the courts struck it down not him.  He bought the damn pipeline to try and ram it through for pete's sake.
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2018, 11:48:27 am »
Yes good luck with any trade other than with the US as a land-locked country.  And then it 50 years when people aren't using much oil anymore they'll be exporting corn and beef.  I get them being frustrated though, but I don't think Ottawa has been acting anti-Alberta.

I think Trudeau has tried with the pipeline, it's not his fault, the courts struck it down not him.  He bought the damn pipeline to try and ram it through for pete's sake.

What use is the Port of Vancouver if it is cut off from the ROC? It too would be landlocked.

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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2018, 12:06:52 pm »
We bribe Quebec so they won't separate.  I think we should end the payouts to everyone.
For the last few decades, Alberta has been putting up more of that cash than anyone else.
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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2018, 01:24:56 pm »
Certainly Canadians are now proud owners of a 65 year old pipeline that generates $300 million a year in revenue. That doesn't actually get an expansion built.

not what I asked you. Let me ask another way: rather than the Liberal government purchase, what would have occurred if it had remained privately owned?

In 2016, Judge Eleanor Dawson overturned the Northern Gateway approval citing the inadequate consultation process and outlining the court's opinion of what's required. Apparently Trudeau and friends didn't bother to actually read her ruling, because Dawson delivered the exact same ruling 2 years later, citing the exact same deficiencies.

The first time was understandable because the rules were unclear. But Dawson spelled out what was required and they went and **** it up anyway.

3 Appeals Court judges ruled in each respective decision - Judge Dawson was the only judge common to both... there was a dissenting opinion in the 2016 decision; the one that reflected solely on the prior Harper Conservative government.

without regard to the specific claims/wants of each of the (-8-) respective First Nations applicants, what level of "consultation" do you believe adequate... particularly with those 2 (perhaps 3?) First Nations bands that have openly stated they will never accept the pipeline?

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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2018, 02:09:34 pm »
Interesting stats

According to the Federal government, Alberta is #1 in per capita federal taxes paid and last in per capita transfers.

Alberta is at the top of the Federal revenues list and the bottom of its expenditures list.

Whiners.

Only BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Ontario have revenues that exceed expenditures.

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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2018, 02:28:48 pm »
For the last few decades, Alberta has been putting up more of that cash than anyone else.

And wealthy people pay more taxes....   this is somehow wrong?  Alberta is still part of Canada, last I checked.  It has also received transfer payments in the past and will in the future. 
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2018, 02:52:53 pm »
On a lighter note regarding this issue, I had the good fortune to be invited to a party in St.John's some years ago that included a guest by the name of Joey Smallwood. After a few rounds of Screech, and others beverages, Joey took the floor to announce how he would solve the Quebec separation issue.He proposed to simply meet with Renee Levesque over by Churchill Falls and duke it out. He concluded by saying "and I'll win because I don't smoke". "Twas a fun night. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2018, 02:54:06 pm »
And wealthy people pay more taxes....   this is somehow wrong?  Alberta is still part of Canada, last I checked.  It has also received transfer payments in the past and will in the future.

Alberta is part or Canada, but doesn't like being treated as a sugar daddy and getting nothing but **** and abuse for their trouble.
Sure the wealth pay more but why is Alberta last in per capita transfers?
They get this BS from people blaming them for not investing the future while those same people are benefiting biggly at their expense.

The 20 billion difference would pay to build two refineries a year, free daycare, university education and all that other stuff Quebec has partly at Alberta's expense..
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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2018, 03:13:20 pm »
Alberta is part or Canada, but doesn't like being treated as a sugar daddy and getting nothing but **** and abuse for their trouble.
Sure the wealth pay more but why is Alberta last in per capita transfers?
They get this BS from people blaming them for not investing the future while those same people are benefiting biggly at their expense.

The 20 billion difference would pay to build two refineries a year, free daycare, university education and all that other stuff Quebec has partly at Alberta's expense..

are you purposely mixing your descriptors to futz with interpretations of what you're actually intending to say? If you want to discuss equalization/transfer... don't mix terms that presume to speak to transfer (as in federal spending/expenditures).

Alberta has residents with the highest individual median income in Canada... and a median age of 36, making it the youngest province in Canada. Highest income => greater income taxes; Lower age => less pension distributions/less need for health care spending. Riddle me this: why might there be less federal spending in Alberta - that might be worth considering, or not...
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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2018, 03:27:05 pm »
are you purposely mixing your descriptors to futz with interpretations of what you're actually intending to say? If you want to discuss equalization/transfer... don't mix terms that presume to speak to transfer (as in federal spending/expenditures).

Alberta has residents with the highest individual median income in Canada... and a median age of 36, making it the youngest province in Canada. Highest income => greater income taxes; Lower age => less pension distributions/less need for health care spending. Riddle me this: why might there be less federal spending in Alberta - that might be worth considering, or not...

 Greater federal taxes. There is less federal spending because the province pays its own way, plus six other provinces.
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2018, 03:41:29 pm »
Greater federal taxes. There is less federal spending because the province pays its own way, plus six other provinces.

I guess if your province happens to have a lot of young people making a lot of money harvesting the natural resources that bubble out of your backyard you just might do better than the province that has a lot more elderly people having to go out to sea to try and harvest the few fish that are left. Shoulo we kick Nfld. out of confederation?

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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2018, 03:49:11 pm »
harvesting the natural resources that bubble out of your backyard

They have to boil the stuff to make it bubble.

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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2018, 04:04:54 pm »
are you purposely mixing your descriptors to futz with interpretations of what you're actually intending to say? If you want to discuss equalization/transfer... don't mix terms that presume to speak to transfer (as in federal spending/expenditures).

Alberta has residents with the highest individual median income in Canada... and a median age of 36, making it the youngest province in Canada. Highest income => greater income taxes; Lower age => less pension distributions/less need for health care spending. Riddle me this: why might there be less federal spending in Alberta - that might be worth considering, or not...

Riddle me this, NFLD is basically tied with Sask. at #2 when it comes to per capita federal revenues but #1 when it comes to per capita transfers. How do you reconcile that with Alberta being #1 and last in those categories?
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2018, 04:06:43 pm »
I guess if your province happens to have a lot of young people making a lot of money harvesting the natural resources that bubble out of your backyard you just might do better than the province that has a lot more elderly people having to go out to sea to try and harvest the few fish that are left. Shoulo we kick Nfld. out of confederation?

Funny how the resolution to everything is Alberta pays. As far as oil goes, the junkies don't care where Alberta's money comes from, they aren't too proud to take it.
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