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« Reply #360 on: February 16, 2018, 10:45:14 am »
Why CTV? They pursued a very important story, they interviewed the accusers and at least one person one of them confided in years ago, they immediately made corrections when they were identified. It sounds like there was also a lot of related stories about his time on Parliament hill that the general public was not aware of and has come out after this story, I am sure there were members of the media that heard those stories years ago but didn't report them until we got to this level of detail. What did CTV do wrong? How should the media handle stories, not report anything, or only report what you want to hear?

Yes there need to be journalistic standards met. What make you think that CTV didn't meet them. A story of this prominence would have many senior CTV officials and legal team vetting it, or so I would expect. This is not like the standard bullcrap that rags like the Rebel put out and you never seem to have problems with them.

I've never read the Rebel in my life!  Not once that I remember, anyway.  It's always possible I read a link on here without realising the source, but given the reputation it has I would probably have figured it out.

Still, I haven't been writing the Wikipedia entry on this incident, so if you say CTV are no more culpable than the BBC or The Australian I'll believe you.  Why did I hear he was thinking of suing them? 

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« Reply #361 on: February 16, 2018, 10:52:03 am »
I knew I'd seen it somewhere.  This link was posted on the other site, but I just read the link, and never opened it.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/brown-lashes-out-at-accusers-says-resignation-letter-sent-without-permission-1.3804832

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« Reply #362 on: February 16, 2018, 10:52:49 am »
so if you say CTV are no more culpable than the BBC or The Australian I'll believe you.  Why did I hear he was thinking of suing them?

I have no idea how culpable CTV is, I am just saying that in absence of any direct evidence to the contrary I would presume they are not going to risk their reputation and liability on an allegation of this prominence without a sound vetting.

Why did Mulroney sue (and win) the federal government, even though he took a lot of cash?

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« Reply #363 on: February 16, 2018, 11:08:17 am »
I have no idea how culpable CTV is, I am just saying that in absence of any direct evidence to the contrary I would presume they are not going to risk their reputation and liability on an allegation of this prominence without a sound vetting.

Like figuring out that one of the accused wasn't under drinking age and the other was a former associate of the reporter?

Those are HUGE!!! gaffes.
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« Reply #364 on: February 16, 2018, 11:18:27 am »
Like figuring out that one of the accused wasn't under drinking age and the other was a former associate of the reporter?

Those are HUGE!!! gaffes.

One victim originally reported that the event occurred in 2006 (I believe) but later corrected that to 2007 (I believe). Yes, that is significant but not a HUGE gaffe, and certainly has nothing to do with CTV. There are a lot of significant events that have happened to me over the years, unless I had something written down I would be hard to give them a date. Those that I can give a date to are because they relate to something that is well known and I can look up the date. I can tell you some things that happened to me on November 22, 1963, I remember some parts of it but most I do not,  but the date is easy for me. Other things I can tell you in much more detail, but I would be hard pressed to remember the year let alone the date.

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« Reply #365 on: February 16, 2018, 11:25:40 am »
If your memory of something is hazy, then don't go to the press!!!

The standard for going to the press to ruin people's lives is sooooo low now. You should at least have all your ducks in a row.

These mistakes call the entire story into question. Is Brown's sin really just trying to get laid?
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« Reply #366 on: February 16, 2018, 11:40:36 am »
If your memory of something is hazy, then don't go to the press!!!

Hazy is meaningless, it is about the importance of context. The date was not the important issue that someone would remember, it is the details about what happened.

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« Reply #367 on: February 16, 2018, 11:57:13 am »
If your memory of something is hazy, then don't go to the press!!! 
People don't realize their memory is hazy.   In the book "Stumbling on Happiness" researchers talked to people about what they were doing the day Kennedy was killed some years after the event, then compared what these same people said they were doing immediately following the assasination; some of the accounts were quite different and yet people insisted their *later* accounts were correct.

Memory is extremely fallible.  Most of what we think we remember is truly a patchwork of fact and fantsy. 

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The standard for going to the press to ruin people's lives is sooooo low now.

It does look like CTV failed in thoroughly ensuring that the stories would withstand fact checking.  But that doesn't mean the women are deliberately lying or that PB is entirely innocent of innapropriate behavior.

Dan Gilbert's "Stumbling on Happiness" is a really good book if one wants to understand just how fallible people are when it comes to things like memories and eye-witness accounts,  and just how our reality is shaped by the assumptions our brain makes and of which we are entirely unaware and have no control over.  And its very readable.

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« Reply #368 on: February 16, 2018, 12:15:43 pm »
researchers talked to people about what they were doing the day Kennedy was killed some years after the event, then compared what these same people said they were doing immediately following the assasination

Yes, that is the date I choose above. I was 3 years 8 months old at the time. I can't tell you much about the day, certainly compared to what I could tell you then. I can however tell you about one event that happened that day that I do remember, and a little bit of the aftermath.

The day of the moon landing I can tell you where I was because I remember watching it on television at home. I also remember the Apollo 8 going around the moon at home, but couldn't tell you what I saw and if it included the genesis speech, etc. I also remember some other parts back then but not sure if I saw them at home or school or just heard about them (eg. I remember talk about the golf club but don't actually remember seeing it).

The point is I am able to distinguish what is clear and what is not. People may fill in the spaces to pretend they have clarity, I prefer to say what is hazy. Most of the events I have good clarity on happened in my teens and later. For example I know some thing very clearly about each of my kids being born, yet there is a lot I don't remember around them as well. It has to do with the significance of the event that makes it personal. That is why I remember more about the event that happened when I was 3 than many events when I was 8 or 9, although I remember far more events from when I was 8 or 9.

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« Reply #369 on: February 16, 2018, 02:20:13 pm »
I saw part of a Global interview with Patrick Brown.  He's vehement and believable.  But there was an odd moment when he said he did not voluntarily resign; the interviewer seemed genuinely surprised by this and confirmed it with him twice.   But it seems several people who were at the discussion with Brown said he did resign voluntarily.  Perhaps its only PB who tells the truth ever.

 

I believe what he said was the resignation announcement was not sent with his permission. Ie, he might have asked someone to draft it, but did not approve it being sent out.
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« Reply #370 on: February 16, 2018, 03:14:09 pm »
Rumour is he's back in the race.   ???

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« Reply #371 on: February 16, 2018, 03:50:26 pm »
Rumour is he's back in the race.   ???

That would be idiotic on his part. It would be bad for the party, and thus his doing it would demonstrate his unfitness.
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« Reply #372 on: February 16, 2018, 07:16:22 pm »
That would be idiotic on his part. It would be bad for the party, and thus his doing it would demonstrate his unfitness.

Bad for the party??   LOL

They have a crazy anti-sex ed candidate....    Doug Ford, whi is also anti-sex ed, anti science and a liar...   

that party is doing its best to lose the next election.
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« Reply #373 on: February 16, 2018, 07:18:28 pm »
That would be idiotic on his part. It would be bad for the party, and thus his doing it would demonstrate his unfitness.
I agree but a errant mouse click meant the wrong response was posted (mod: anyway to reverse a response once clicked?).

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« Reply #374 on: February 16, 2018, 07:27:01 pm »
that party is doing its best to lose the next election.

Find something you are good at, and keep doing it.
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