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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #285 on: February 10, 2018, 11:43:35 am »
Yes, it calls the accusation into question.  Brown is out, though.  Too late for him.  Sad situation all around.

Also, for what it's worth, reading around the net, the former intern who complained has been identified on a number of sites, including Frank, as Chelsea Nash, who is gay, a former Hill Times reporter and colleague and friend of Rachel Aiello, when she too worked on the Hill Times. Here's a picture of them together.    http://archive.li/sV66H

No one has yet identified the other girl as far as I know.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #286 on: February 10, 2018, 12:03:28 pm »
So what's the remediation?
 

Admonish those who didn't do their jobs well enough.  Punish those who lied.  (Shrugs)

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #287 on: February 10, 2018, 12:04:47 pm »
So we have one accusation which appears false based on factual errors in the story. An accusation that contained no allegation of wrongdoing on Brown's part. An accusation that appears to have been included only because of its salacious nature.

And a second accusation which also contains nothing approaching the level of criminal wrongdoing, which purposefully omitted statements from other individuals who were at the house that night, and focused entirely on the account of a witness who happens to be a longtime friend of the reporter.

I'm curious as to whether there's any connection between Aiello or Nash and the other accuser.

I think CTV needs to provide a statement here.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #288 on: February 10, 2018, 12:05:36 pm »
Admonish those who didn't do their jobs well enough.  Punish those who lied.  (Shrugs)

A stern wag of the finger to CTV and the reporters involved?  I suspect Brown is going to be asking for something more substantial...

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #289 on: February 10, 2018, 12:15:37 pm »
A stern wag of the finger to CTV and the reporters involved?  I suspect Brown is going to be asking for something more substantial...
 

Sure.  In this atmosphere, I think ignoring substantive disagreements with an informant is tantamount to negligence and I am a little suspicious of it.  Every journalist would/should know about the Washington Posts being targeted with a fake story and sharpen their guard against such things.

But stupid happens.  I know it.

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« Reply #290 on: February 10, 2018, 01:42:14 pm »
Sure.  In this atmosphere, I think ignoring substantive disagreements with an informant is tantamount to negligence and I am a little suspicious of it.  Every journalist would/should know about the Washington Posts being targeted with a fake story and sharpen their guard against such things.

This isn't a case of a politically motivated operation trying to dupe a reporter with a fake story. This is a case of a reporter collaborating with a friend and presenting it as an objective news piece.  It raises an obvious question of bias and makes the failure to interview other people who were at Brown's house at the night of the party extremely conspicuous.  At the bare minimum the journalistic standard would be to disclose the relationship between the reporter and the witness. Most likely CTV would have assigned the story to another reporter, which makes one wonder whether Aiello told CTV anything about that.

It also raises questions about the credibility of the second account, particularly given the factual inaccuracies in her story that were reported today.

But stupid happens.  I know it.

Right now this has the appearance of malice as well as stupidity.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #291 on: February 10, 2018, 03:15:54 pm »


Right now this has the appearance of malice as well as stupidity.
 

I can't understand why/how.  For something like this to happen that way, it must have been a hit job from a rival or somebody else up there.

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« Reply #292 on: February 11, 2018, 12:38:39 pm »
I can't understand why/how.  For something like this to happen that way, it must have been a hit job from a rival or somebody else up there.

It seems to me that this is a career-making opportunity for a reporter, just as the Aziz Ansari story was a brand-making moment for "babe.net". That might be a powerful incentive to spruce things up a bit to make for a juicier story.


I think the standards of journalism require the disclosure of a connection like that.  When the CTV runs a story about Bell Media, they disclose that Bell is their parent company, for example. Columnists make similar disclosures when they're writing about subjects they have a personal relationship with. If Aiello is friends with the feature witness in her story, failing to disclose that is a glaring omission.

So that leads to the question: does Rachel Aiello actually have a personal relationship with the feature witness in her story?


While trying to find out more on that question, I stumbled onto this article.  The Ontario PC party ended its relationship with a law firm after one of the lawyers, Joseph Villeneuve, publicly named the accuser:

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He also referred to reports that the woman is a former work colleague and friend of Rachel Aiello, one of the CTV reporters, something the network denies.

“I think the public deserves to know when a reporter is in a close relationship with an anonymous source,” he said. “It doesn’t pass the smell test … Frankly, there seems to be an intentional or negligent attempt to mislead about the fact they were acquainted for years before this disclosure. Fairness dictates that a disclaimer should’ve been made.”

But Matthew Garrow, a spokesman for CTV, said the allegation that Ms. Aiello was close friends with the woman in the story is false.

“Because this woman had worked on Parliament Hill, CTV News took steps before publication and broadcast to ensure that there was no previous contact with any of our journalists that would influence our reporting of this story,” he said. “Our legal counsel participated in this process.”
http://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ontario-pcs-fire-lawyer-allied-with-patrick-brown-after-he-attacks-browns-sexual-misconduct-accuser-online

Soooo... Brown obviously knows who the anonymous accuser is.  Did Joseph Villeneuve also know who she is? Did he drop the correct name in his Facebook rant?  Probably. Villeneuve is a personal friend of Brown, and it seems likely that the law-firm working on the file for the Ontario PCs would have that information as well.  It seems likely that Villeneuve had the right name.

The next question is whether the accuser is Chelsea Nash, as Frank Magazine and others have been claiming?  Did Frank get that information from Villeneuve's Facebook posts or from other sources connected with Brown?

I did a little google-sleuthing myself and found that Chelsea Nash was indeed at the "Hockey Night in Barrie" event that the anonymous accuser said she organized for Brown. In this 2014 photo gallery, Nash is pictured in one of the photographs, holding a clipboard talking to one of the players.
https://www.simcoe.com/news-story/4760779-celebrating-hockey-night-in-barrie/
It seems more than likely that Chelsea Nash is indeed the anonymous woman in the article. It's probable that there's other information around to support that as well-- LinkedIn profiles and so on.

Did Aiello and Nash have a personal friendship?  Yes. This is easily verifiable with a bit of googling.  One can find that they were two of the four members of the "Hill Times Headliners" lawn-bowling team when they worked at the Hill Times, for example.

But CTV says this just isn't so...
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But Matthew Garrow, a spokesman for CTV, said the allegation that Ms. Aiello was close friends with the woman in the story is false.

“Because this woman had worked on Parliament Hill, CTV News took steps before publication and broadcast to ensure that there was no previous contact with any of our journalists that would influence our reporting of this story,” he said. “Our legal counsel participated in this process.”

It's hard to reconcile CTV's statement with the anonymous woman being Chelsea Nash.  It seems like either everybody has it wrong and Chelsea Nash isn't the anonymous woman, or else CTV is lying about having done due diligence on a connection between the two.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #293 on: February 13, 2018, 11:41:13 am »

Inscrutable.  Inscrotable.

Anti-Catholic rhetoric.

Raging senility.  Paranoid focus on me.  Inability to accept facts.

I can call Brown a "****-showing alcohol-giver" because that's what he is.  You infer judgment and moralism, well that's because you are the puritan.  I guess you are too snow-white to ever have done anything bad.  This is called 'projection' by psychiatrists.


In regards to your first comment I am not interested in you scrotum thanks.

In regards to my comments about religion they were not anti Catholic.The concept of Satan I referenced and you appear to continue to see in Brown is not particular to nor was it meant to challenge Catholicism. In fact people trace the Christian (not Catholic) definition of Satan to Zoroastrianism although there were a plethora of religious and philosophies referring to an evil fallen God or evil essence long before Zoroastrianism. Your attempt to slur me with a false accusation I hate Catholics was pathetic and it was a pale attempt to demonize me and use Catholics as your hate agent to hide behind. This has nothing to do with Catholicism as you are well aware just like Satan as you are well aware is a theme in numerous religions not just Catholicism.


Next, the raging senility comments, well at least they show your bull **** holier then thou smug sanctimonious cloak fell off so we can  now see the real you-a hateful, judgmental  name caller in reference to those who disagree with you or those you decree as evil.

Next, your comment and I quote: " I can call Brown a "****-showing alcohol-giver" because that's what he is."  that was a very moving argument. Full of principled reasoning and logic.

So there we have it,  Brown is a poo face cuz you said so.  Lol. Got it.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #294 on: February 13, 2018, 12:06:31 pm »
I can't understand why/how.  For something like this to happen that way, it must have been a hit job from a rival or somebody else up there.

To understand why just read back all your posts on this thread. It doesn't take much to incite hatred and find a lynch mob.

Unfortunately there is no shortage of people  who need to hate others to give meaning and purpose to themselves.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #295 on: February 13, 2018, 01:01:46 pm »
It seems one's ability to withstand MeToo allegations are contingent on your popularity at your work place.

TVO Host Steve Paikin has been successful in fighting off allegations from former Toronto mayoral candidate Sarah Thompson.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/paikin-allegations-1.4525367

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Ontario TV anchor Steve Paikin is one of the few high-profile men to publicly fight back against sexual harassment allegations, but at least one crisis management expert says the political pundit could be even more aggressive in the battle to reclaim his reputation.

Damage control specialist Randi Rahamim says Paikin did "exactly what he needs to do" by defending himself in a lengthy Facebook post in which he dismissed the claim as "complete fiction."

But if he's innocent, Rahamim says there's more the veteran journalist can do to change the headlines.

"He's one step below what he needs to do — which is if you really believe that someone's defaming you, or threatening you inappropriately, you're going to take legal action," says Rahamim, a principal at the public affairs firm Navigator.

"I would recommend that he bundle that together and be more aggressive in his response."

The host of TVO's flagship current events program The Agenda broke his silence Tuesday with an online statement in which he deemed "100 per cent false" an allegation that he propositioned a woman for sex in exchange for airtime.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #296 on: February 13, 2018, 01:20:25 pm »
TVO Host Steve Paikin has been successful in fighting off allegations from form Toronto mayoral candidate Sarah Thompson.

Thompson made allegations against Rob Ford several years ago as well. I wonder if that has influenced perceptions about Thompson.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #297 on: February 13, 2018, 02:07:32 pm »
your bull **** holier then thou

Nope.

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name caller

Scrotum hater.

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those who disagree with you or those you decree as evil.

Nope.  They are A-OK.

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  that was a very moving argument. Full of principled reasoning and logic.

Thanks,


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So there we have it,  Brown is a poo face cuz you said so.   

I wouldn't call you righteous for calling Brown that, assuming you are also a poo face.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #298 on: February 13, 2018, 08:29:42 pm »
It seems one's ability to withstand MeToo allegations are contingent on your popularity at your work place.

TVO Host Steve Paikin has been successful in fighting off allegations from former Toronto mayoral candidate Sarah Thompson.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/paikin-allegations-1.4525367

Robyn Urback wrote a column on the subject that makes some interesting points in regard to both Paikin and Brown.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/me-too-paikin-1.4527003

In regard to Paikin:

 -Urback writes that usually when public figures have been accused, more accusers have come forward (hence the name #MeToo...) to support the initial allegations with their own. Nothing of the sort has happened in regard to Paikin. If Paikin were the kind of guy to offer a spot on his show in exchange for sexual favors, isn't it likely that he's made the offer to women other than just Thomson? Nobody has come forward to say so. The absence of more accusers doesn't mean Thomson isn't telling the truth, but it seems odd that Thomson would be the only one he made this offer to.

 -she also says that they in the news business hear far more than gets reported.  She says that nobody in the news business was surprised when claims were made against Patrick Brown, for example.  But Urback says that no such rumors have circulated around Paikin.

In regard to Brown, her points somewhat cancel themselves out. I have also read on social media that nobody who has spent any time in bars in Barrie was surprised to hear that Brown was in the habit of trying to pick up young women.  And yet, at the same time, in spite of the highly public accusations made against him, no additional accusers have come forward.  We still only these two somewhat dubious accusers.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #299 on: February 14, 2018, 07:11:56 am »
It comes out that the one woman who said she was underage lied about that and that one of the women were friends with the reporter.

This is some first class Bullshit.

Women should be furious that this is what this movement has turned into.
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