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Offline Omni

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« Reply #255 on: February 09, 2018, 04:31:30 pm »
I couldn't help notice that your blather didn't contradict anything I said. Congratulations on contributing nothing of interest once again.

Most everything you have said on this subject has been contradicted a number of times. I'm just letting others suffer the wrath of a refuted sir argus' insults for a while.

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« Reply #256 on: February 09, 2018, 04:33:54 pm »
You didn't go into my ignore file because you challenged me. You went into my ignore file because of the increasingly bitter, angry and insulting responses you delivered to every opinion I gave, which was then causing me to respond and getting me in trouble with the moderator.

Again, like many of the progressives, you find those who disagree with your positions to be detestable people and much prefer assuming a moral stance to attack them rather than bother with their opinions, which of course, you disregard as having no validity without a second thought (or even a first). All your views are gloriously infused with the righteous certainty of the true believer, and all who question them are vile heretics.
Yet my comment had nothing to do with me or your ignore list, but here you are....talking about me because like I said, when your views are challenged you resort to attacking the poster.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #257 on: February 09, 2018, 05:50:19 pm »
The 1st claim is problematic because 1. the girl was underage to drink (though Brown may not have known that, she was 18 I think, but you should still ask if you're 29 at the time & a girl looks young), 2. she was drunk & he wasn't, which is predatory on Brown's part.

Now, she did voluntarily suck on his dick after he asked for it, he didn't force her, but she was still intoxicated.  Brown wasn't drunk in either story.  I think Brown was inappropriate here & predatory, if this story true.

The 2nd situation I think is more problematic. He was in a position of authority over her, as her boss.  He made sure she had lots to drink, then when drunk brought her into his room, then allegedly kissed her and got on top of her with an erect **** without her consent.  If both cases are true, Brown has a pattern of trying to take advantage of much younger intoxicated women.  Not sure the legal ramifications if any, but the guy is a creep.
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« Reply #258 on: February 09, 2018, 06:27:13 pm »
Yet my comment had nothing to do with me or your ignore list,

No, nor anything to do with the subject. It had to do with me. When people decide the proper subject is me and their sanctimonious evaluation of how inferior my morality is because I disagree with them I always change the subject to them and what **** they are.

And then, believe it or not, some of them actually get indignant and snivel about me insulting them! Can you believe how pathetic they are!?

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #259 on: February 09, 2018, 07:12:26 pm »
My my.  Look at the length of this post !  Not sure why you have focussed on me here, but I have some time to try and parse this response.  Lets see:


1. The cost of sexual assault is the same no matter who does it-that is the point and your attempt to create a double standard as to the moral behaviour of politicians and non politicians when it comes to imposing sex on someone is illogical. No Brown had no special moral obligation different than yours or mine when it comes to a private matter in his bed-room. His bed-room is not your arena for you to enter and tell him what he must do. The police and the law not you only get involved in his bed-room if he sexually assaulted someone-he did not so all your clucking is meaningless crap.

I think we have already said Brown didn't commit sexual assault.  This is about the cost of inappropriate behaviour.  The public will decide what is a private matter.

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2. You claim to be both righteous and self righteous in your words. Here since you seem to be choking on that let me explain it for you:

source: BING

right·eous.

ADJECTIVE
1.(of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous:

self-right·eous.

ADJECTIVE

having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior:

Do me a favour save the righteous and self righteous attempts at trying to suggest you don't  understand the difference.

Well you modified your description of me to the former.  I have admitted inappropriate behaviour so I don't claim virtuosity in the regard of male behaviour.

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3. You lectured me that: " a RIGHTEOUS person would never admit they sinned, and would look down on sinners"...then you went on to say and I quote:
"Nowhere did I "**** on brown".  I stated what he did: showed off his dick to an underaged intoxicated teenager that he got drunk."

The latter statement clearly indicates you continue to **** on Brown by saying and I quote again because you have a selective righteous memory: " he showed off his dick to an underaged intoxicated teenager".

That is what he did.  It says nothing about my virtuosity to describe his actions.

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You again prove my point as to what a sanctimonious blow hard you are. There is no evidence Brown "showed off his dick", that is your projection.  Also your accusations he got someone drunk suggests he forced them to drink which is an out and out lie a total and utter lie.

You have no proof he forced alcohol on anyone yet you lie to make it seem as if he stalked a minor and poured alcohol down her throat.

That's the allegation.  I am willing to hear his response.  Also I didn't say he forced them to drink. 

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The more you respond, the more you illustrate why I challenge your false morally superior smug tone.

Then on top of  it you just couldn't resist posing as righteous and self righteous yet again suggesting since you "confessed" on this forum it means you do not sin when you talk of Brown. What a phacking joke.

What did you confess to? Lol. You think if you come on this board and say you may have been a jack ass as a young man that presto you now are the pillar of moral truth and infallible source of when Brown should pull his **** out and with who? Hah.

If Dia thinks your intent is to defend women she needs to read your bilge in more detail Your just another man pulling out his pecker to Brown saying your pecker is better than his.

So if I understand you saint MH,  you only pull your **** out at the appropriate time,-you never show it off-and you are in the position of commenting on Brown's pecker because you "confessed".
What a joke. What a sanctimonious attempt to justify being a holier than thou **** owner. Hah.

Yes, you are putting your **** words in my mouth.  Keep bellowing, though.  It won't change what I did.

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Get real.  It will take more than a half assed ambiguous forum  confession to make you moral judge of anyone. If you can not  get that and if your disciples can't get that, be my guest start your religion-The Church of Non Showing Off **** Bearers. Knock yourselves out singing your song and turning me into your Satan. I welcome it.


I didn't judge Brown, I spoke only of the politics.  I am not turning you into the devil.  You are more like the Tasmanian Devil.

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To me you are just another twisted clergy pervert posing as an authority on God's way.

You bet my constituency is different. It consists of people just like me and that young woman and Brown. We will and dolook to each other for understanding and a better way to communicate. We sure as hell do not need you and your clucking peacocks judging us before or after or during the fact.

Oh wow man that last sentence was like so weird man.

Agreed on the last sentence. 

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Yah the idea I would think we all need to speak about each other's mistakes in a non judgemental way oh wow  man that's like weird. Why can't we crucify Brown right MH? Who you and your disciples crucify Brown? You-Saint MH?

You typify everything about we men and how we deal with our penises that we need to question.

Men and women, both of us for the exact same reasons, were born with the gift to make individual decisions as to how we deal with and control our bodies. I argue it should remain that way. The last thing I want is you and your perverted followers preaching to me or anyone.

Not sure why you are whirling about.  I speak to the politics and my 'smug' phrasing is simply how Brown behaved, if given a spin to illustrate how it would appear to the morally righteous.

It only took me 10 minutes to respond to this, and that's not bad.  Let's see if you come back with an even longer post claiming all the same things over and over again.


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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #260 on: February 09, 2018, 08:31:33 pm »
No, nor anything to do with the subject. It had to do with me. When people decide the proper subject is me and their sanctimonious evaluation of how inferior my morality is because I disagree with them I always change the subject to them and what **** they are.

And then, believe it or not, some of them actually get indignant and snivel about me insulting them! Can you believe how pathetic they are!?

So why not just try to rise above the insults for a more loftier discussion, even when you are refuted?

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« Reply #261 on: February 09, 2018, 09:40:58 pm »
No, nor anything to do with the subject. It had to do with me. When people decide the proper subject is me and their sanctimonious evaluation of how inferior my morality is because I disagree with them I always change the subject to them and what **** they are.

And then, believe it or not, some of them actually get indignant and snivel about me insulting them! Can you believe how pathetic they are!?
Case in point.

I wasn’t evaluating your morality. You said you get along fine with people who disagree with you. I merely said there’s evidence to the contrary here and at MLW.

Now look at you. You’re practically tripping all over yourself trying to take shots at me, while trying to demonstrate that this isn’t what you do. It’s pretty funny actually. Your post reads like the definition of dramatic irony.
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« Reply #262 on: February 10, 2018, 08:01:33 am »
  This is what MG, Omni, MH, BC Cheque and I are doing.   

And what white men are doing everywhere is invoke the systems that they are culturally invested in to make sure that their conception of justice is invoked.  That immutable principles that happen to favour them are buttressed.

So any changing of language, the idea that sexual harassment can only be pursued as a sex crime through the traditional justice system, the idea that nothing needs to change is the anthem.  They don't understand that things that don't bend will break.

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« Reply #263 on: February 10, 2018, 08:02:29 am »
1. Nor would you just whip your pants down and ask some girl you just met for a blow job. 

2. And yet, that is allegedly what happened, which I call bullshit on.

I don't think he just met her and what does it matter ?

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« Reply #264 on: February 10, 2018, 08:03:05 am »
Must you bring your contempt and disrespect for anyone who doesn't kowtow to your ignorant, racist, sexist and xenophobic attitudes into every **** conversation?

Then rise above.

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« Reply #265 on: February 10, 2018, 08:05:15 am »
I never made any such claim, you sanctimonious moron.

Just catching up.  Lots of insults on this thread. 

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« Reply #266 on: February 10, 2018, 08:06:17 am »
The evidence on this forum and MLW show otherwise. You're quick to insult people who challenge you.

That might be true, but you at least someone with some intelligence and some idea of principles that you can experiment with here.
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« Reply #267 on: February 10, 2018, 08:11:26 am »
. I think it could true that generally speaking, men are more wired to seek sex and for women to be the 'gate-keepers'
 

I got in a lot of trouble once for suggesting this in mixed company.  It's not a given that women are 'wired' any differently, and how much of a factor culture is in the discussion.  Don't assume that it's the former.

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« Reply #268 on: February 10, 2018, 08:19:03 am »
We are not all born with the same degree of empathy or understanding for one another.

We have to avail ourselves of a new technology called "language" then.

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  And again, I'm obviously generalizing.

Yes.

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I also don't think anyone thinks a drunk woman is responsible for a man's bad behavior. On the other hand, I don't excuse a drunk woman for HER behavior, like so many others seem to.

I think if a drunk woman forced herself on a drunk man, with evidence, a court would have no choice but to convict her.  There's no reason to think otherwise.

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Explain to me the fairness of the  law on sexual consent while intoxicated. To me it seems deeply sexist and paternalistic. Women, however drunk THEY GET THEMSELVES, have no responsibility and indeed cannot even give legal consent to sex, even if they very strongly want to. However, the guy who is equally drunk may not use his own drunkenness as any kind of a defense as to why he had sex with her enthusiastic consent. How is that in any way fair or equal? Her drunkenness means she lacks the ability to form an intelligent thought but his drunkenness is deliberately not considered? Either HUMANS are responsible for getting themselves drunk and what they do when drunk or they're not. Which is it?

I doubt that the letter of law differentiates gender in such cases.  The devil would be in the details of the case.  And as such, if you can find a case where the system failed you're talking about something else:

- System failure
- Bias of the stakeholders who are supposed to be objective
- etc.

And if those points are the topic, then you are of a group with those who decry the system's failure to prosecute the guilty as well as its failure to excuse the innocent.  And now you're talking about system design.  That's really an interestin gtopic.

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Note that if a man is drunk or  takes **** and deliberately murders someone, his being high or drunk can be used as a defense.

It may be true, but it depends in my mind whether we have 1st 2nd 3rd degree sex assault.  I don't know if we do.

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« Reply #269 on: February 10, 2018, 08:20:19 am »
maybe you'd like to explain the Alberta judges comments to a woman in a **** case as to why didn't she keep her legs together.

System failure.