Oh, are you one of those people who blame women for being assaulted or harassed when they drink or dress inappropriately? Gross.
How about you read what she wrote. I 100% stand by everything she said on this thread. You clearly have not read what she wrote or understood it and this is precisely why I don't just challenge
but now ridicule what you said. You did not read what she wrote and you come on this forum part of a group that have precisely done what you accuse others have, turned this issue into a partisan one.
Omni and MH have made unfounded accusations, out and out lies that Brown used his employment status and or physical force to compel women into sex and booze. Those are lies.
This issue is being presented that way precisely because Brown is a "Conservative". I couldn't care less what his political affiliation is.
The issue was and remains about consent. The young women who went back to his home have a responsibility to control their bodies and their safety over their bodies. It must begin and end with them on an individual level. Your patronizing attitude acts as if its up to a man to decide that. So of course you can't grasp her point or mine.
I spent 30 years dealing with sex crimes. I read now a bunch of pathetic boys jumping all over one another in the name of politically correct posturing presuming to reduce this issue to what a man does.
You don't get it. Brown did not force himself on anyone. Had he, then he would belong in jail. He did not. He did not force himself on anyone. Therefore it becomes a matter of choice, of individual choice, and women will decide when and where they will go and if they learn from certain mistakes they will but they don't and can't learn from mistakes if they put themselves in dangerous positions and then do not examine the choices they made to see if they could have done something safer.
That's the reality of the world we live in. You haven't had to sit in a room with a rapist and get in their head as I have. They are people who use power and access. Those are the two operative words, power and access.
They place themselves in positions where they have access to the vulnerable. Then they use their power, money, body size, job position perhaps to force themselves on their target. You and the rest of your
moral saint pack have no proof, not an ounce of proof Brown used power, money or his body to force his way to have sex. None. Zero. Yet you take a second hand news story, which is called heresay evidence, which has never been corroborated, and you react like true SA Nazi Brown shirts. Your cause is righteous and you will persecute Brown.
How does that empower the woman who made a bad decision to go to his house? How does that help her? It doesn't,. It helps your ego because you engage in a competition with Brown as to who has the better
**** and uses it better. You are just a miserable boy who senses someone is down and you can jump on this person to make yourself feel better.
The woman who went to his house needs to make better judgements. She needs to undersrtand that if she drinks she is vulnerable. She needs to learn that if she goes to a man's house alone, especially to his bed-room that choice she made is dangerous. That is what she needs to learn from her father, mother, friends, strong role models. She needs to learn her body is her body and her choices as to it begin and end with her, not you, not me, not MH.
My role as a man with my daughters is to empower them to make proper individual choices. My role as a teacher is to do the same with female and male students equally. My role as a prosecutor was to put rapists in jail not make myself feel superior to them. My moral judgments would not help society. Next, when I have worked in therapy groups with violent men I don't judge them. Moral judgment means phack all. Its a matter of explaining what happens when they choose to impose power or force without consent of an equal partner. Moral judgment? Bull
****. Its about explaining to men or women, a simple rule, treat people as you want to be treated.
All of you are so busy preaching morality you can't see the basic issue Kimmy is talking about or for that matter the basic facts. As Sir J has tried to say, men have a prime instinct a sexual drive. Its inherent. Its born within us. If we do not learn to repress it, chaos ensues and a stable society can not be built. That is the most basic and fundamental of psychological and religious concepts. Religion was created to repress the sexual drive and create for it rules so that men would not kill each other fighting for the same mate. Where religion went off the track was in deciding to portray women as the source of evil, of temptation and their bodies as something to cover up and subject. It missed the actual point which is if we respect and have a healthy attitude about a woman's body, we don't
****. You boys screaming for Brown's head (both his heads actually) still haven't understood the basic point. He behaved exactly as you have and will continue to behave. You will continue to behave that way until instead of seeing Brown as detached from you-you understand every God damn one of us males has made mistakes with women and need to learn from them and it doesn't mean we are evil, rapists, etc.
Now go on and continue with your moral indignation and now presuming to tell a woman how she must understand her body. Good luck.