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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #195 on: February 08, 2018, 08:11:42 pm »
Yes but nothing you would want your sister to hear about.  But nobody would say anything either.

My stars, Michael! What did you do? Tell a girl she looked pretty?  Invite her back to your place to listen to your Dick Dale records in hope that you might end up necking later? Squeeze her behind while you were dancing?

How can you live with yourself with this sort of thing on your conscience?  Have you discussed any of this with Mrs H?  Do you think she'll forgive you when she finds out??

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« Reply #196 on: February 08, 2018, 08:15:08 pm »
Then aren't you trying to hold yourself up to the standards of today rather than simply admitting you were a man like any other of your day? Now, granted, if it were Omni he wold have been the most caring, sensitive, sharing, girlyman around in the 1950s and 1960s and every girl would have wanted to be his friend and admired him his being so in touch with his feminized side and wouldn't  have even thought twice about stripping and changing around him because of course he wouldn't even look without permission, but we can't all be Omni.

I certainly was not a girlyman in the 50's or 60's. I had to wait until the 70's to start thinking about girls in a romantic sense. But you do like to make assumptions, even on peoples DOB. I wouldn't say I was the MOST caring, sensitive, etc., etc., but they were certainly part of my repertoire. That's maybe why I was able to have a lot of lady friends, not girlyfriends. Sounds like you are perhaps a tad jealous.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #197 on: February 08, 2018, 08:19:20 pm »
Men should be able to control themselves rather than expecting women to.

If we're talking about assault and refusing to accept rejection, then of course.

But by "men should be able to control themselves" you mean that men shouldn't flirt with women they meet, then this is getting out of hand.

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« Reply #198 on: February 08, 2018, 08:42:32 pm »
Again, I don't think pouring booze into an under age girl you plan to have sex with is hardly flirting. At least not in my town.
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« Reply #199 on: February 08, 2018, 08:51:53 pm »
If we're talking about assault and refusing to accept rejection, then of course.

But by "men should be able to control themselves" you mean that men shouldn't flirt with women they meet, then this is getting out of hand.

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This:
The problem women have is they are the gate-keepers for sex, and men want sex all the time. That means nothing will stop (heterosexual)men trying to persuade, seduce, influence, put pressure on, whine, beg, bribe, or otherwise seek to get women to let them in.

Men will do anything to get laid, and it's up to women to stop them.

I object to that attitude in the strongest possible terms.  Women are not gatekeepers and it's up to men to stop themselves.
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« Reply #200 on: February 08, 2018, 09:02:35 pm »
Again, I don't think pouring booze into an under age girl you plan to have sex with is hardly flirting. At least not in my town.

He brought her into the bar? He forced her to drink alcohol?  CITE??

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« Reply #201 on: February 08, 2018, 09:06:27 pm »
This:
The problem women have is they are the gate-keepers for sex, and men want sex all the time. That means nothing will stop (heterosexual)men trying to persuade, seduce, influence, put pressure on, whine, beg, bribe, or otherwise seek to get women to let them in.

Men will do anything to get laid, and it's up to women to stop them.

I object to that attitude in the strongest possible terms.  Women are not gatekeepers and it's up to men to stop themselves.

Men will try to get laid. And that's not a problem unless force or intimidation is involved.  The goal here should be to give women the confidence to say "no thank you" when they're not interested, and for men to accept that and move along.


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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #202 on: February 08, 2018, 09:17:46 pm »
He brought her into the bar? He forced her to drink alcohol?  CITE??

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What does it matter how she got to the bar?

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« Reply #203 on: February 08, 2018, 09:30:41 pm »
What does it matter how she got to the bar?

It matters because this is a legal adult who made her own choices.  She didn't get dragged in off the street against her will.  She was of the age of majority and bears her own responsibility for underage drinking, as well as other decisions she made that night.

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« Reply #204 on: February 08, 2018, 09:43:11 pm »
It matters because this is a legal adult who made her own choices.  She didn't get dragged in off the street against her will.  She was of the age of majority and bears her own responsibility for underage drinking, as well as other decisions she made that night.

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So you're happy to dismiss the choices he made that night?

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« Reply #205 on: February 08, 2018, 10:14:28 pm »
So you're happy to dismiss the choices he made that night?

Why not?  If he did something that you think is a "problem" that needs to be "solved", please elaborate.


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« Reply #206 on: February 08, 2018, 10:28:13 pm »
Why not?  If he did something that you think is a "problem" that needs to be "solved", please elaborate.


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We don't really know what he did, it's a he said/she said item at this point. But I wonder why these two women would simply decide to make up such stories just out of the blue.
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« Reply #207 on: February 08, 2018, 10:39:53 pm »
If we're talking about assault and refusing to accept rejection, then of course.

But by "men should be able to control themselves" you mean that men shouldn't flirt with women they meet, then this is getting out of hand.

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Call me old-fashioned but I don’t think getting a girl drunk and whipping down your pants can be considered flirting.

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« Reply #208 on: February 08, 2018, 10:52:08 pm »
Call me old-fashioned but I don’t think getting a girl drunk and whipping down your pants can be considered flirting.

The whole scenario gives me the creeps. Even as a young guy hitting puberty back in the day it would have. Maybe it's partly to do with being raised by a single mom whom I respected so strongly.
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« Reply #209 on: February 08, 2018, 10:59:49 pm »
Call me old-fashioned but I don’t think getting a girl drunk and whipping down your pants can be considered flirting.

Agreed.  I would never and have never done anything remotely like what Patrick is accused of doing.  It's creepy.  It's not quite ****, but it's sneaky, aggressive, and just plain rude & inappropriate.

You want sex?  You don't show a woman your dick or jump on top of them and start forcing kisses.  You flirt, then if the woman is receptive you go for 1st base, then if that's receptive you go for 2nd base etc until you get to home base.  Guys who try to go directly to 2nd base etc. without getting the green light to even go to 1st base are a-holes.  Never in my life have I tried to kiss someone without it being pretty clear, via body language, touching/holding hands etc, that the other person wanted it too.
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