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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #180 on: February 08, 2018, 04:58:58 pm »
Be a mensch.  Own your sin.  Don't try to be better than you are.  That's what self righteous people do.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #181 on: February 08, 2018, 05:44:20 pm »
The standards are the same but the cost of accusations is great.

Once again you call me "righteous", although you dropped the "self-".  Here's my quote on myself once again for you:

"I could get called out for past behaviour, and I would admit it but I am not a public figure.  "

Now a RIGHTEOUS person would never admit they sinned, and would look down on sinners.  I just think you don't know what it means.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/righteous

"Free from guilt" = NOT ME


I did before also, and I pointed out after that that I had confessed.

Nowhere did I "**** on brown".  I stated what he did: showed off his dick to an underaged intoxicated teenager that he got drunk.  Those are just the facts, Lady Rue.  If you find that sentence morally reprehensible look inside yourself.  I wouldn't stop hanging around a friend who admitted that, as long as he admitted it and wasn't proud of it.  I have done things on that level and if somebody stated it I would feel rightly ashamed.


1. The cost of sexual assault is the same no matter who does it-that is the point and your attempt to create a double standard as to the moral behaviour of politicians and non politicians when it comes to imposing sex on someone is illogical. No Brown had no special moral obligation different than yours or mine when it comes to a private matter in his bed-room. His bed-room is not your arena for you to enter and tell him what he must do. The police and the law not you only get involved in his bed-room if he sexually assaulted someone-he did not so all your clucking is meaningless crap.

2. You claim to be both righteous and self righteous in your words. Here since you seem to be choking on that let me explain it for you:

source: BING

right·eous.

ADJECTIVE
1.(of a person or conduct) morally right or justifiable; virtuous:

self-right·eous.

ADJECTIVE

having or characterized by a certainty, especially an unfounded one, that one is totally correct or morally superior:

Do me a favour save the righteous and self righteous attempts at trying to suggest you don't  understand the difference.

3. You lectured me that: " a RIGHTEOUS person would never admit they sinned, and would look down on sinners"...then you went on to say and I quote:
"Nowhere did I "**** on brown".  I stated what he did: showed off his dick to an underaged intoxicated teenager that he got drunk."

The latter statement clearly indicates you continue to **** on Brown by saying and I quote again because you have a selective righteous memory: " he showed off his dick to an underaged intoxicated teenager".

You again prove my point as to what a sanctimonious blow hard you are. There is no evidence Brown "showed off his dick", that is your projection.  Also your accusations he got someone drunk suggests he forced them to drink which is an out and out lie a total and utter lie.

You have no proof he forced alcohol on anyone yet you lie to make it seem as if he stalked a minor and poured alcohol down her throat.

The more you respond, the more you illustrate why I challenge your false morally superior smug tone.

Then on top of  it you just couldn't resist posing as righteous and self righteous yet again suggesting since you "confessed" on this forum it means you do not sin when you talk of Brown. What a phacking joke.

What did you confess to? Lol. You think if you come on this board and say you may have been a jack ass as a young man that presto you now are the pillar of moral truth and infallible source of when Brown should pull his **** out and with who? Hah.

If Dia thinks your intent is to defend women she needs to read your bilge in more detail Your just another man pulling out his pecker to Brown saying your pecker is better than his.

So if I understand you saint MH,  you only pull your **** out at the appropriate time,-you never show it off-and you are in the position of commenting on Brown's pecker because you "confessed".
What a joke. What a sanctimonious attempt to justify being a holier than thou **** owner. Hah.

Get real.  It will take more than a half assed ambiguous forum  confession to make you moral judge of anyone. If you can not  get that and if your disciples can't get that, be my guest start your religion-The Church of Non Showing Off **** Bearers. Knock yourselves out singing your song and turning me into your Satan. I welcome it.

To me you are just another twisted clergy pervert posing as an authority on God's way.

You bet my constituency is different. It consists of people just like me and that young woman and Brown. We will and dolook to each other for understanding and a better way to communicate. We sure as hell do not need you and your clucking peacocks judging us before or after or during the fact.

Oh wow man that last sentence was like so weird man.

Yah the idea I would think we all need to speak about each other's mistakes in a non judgemental way oh wow  man that's like weird. Why can't we crucify Brown right MH? Who you and your disciples crucify Brown? You-Saint MH?

You typify everything about we men and how we deal with our penises that we need to question.

Men and women, both of us for the exact same reasons, were born with the gift to make individual decisions as to how we deal with and control our bodies. I argue it should remain that way. The last thing I want is you and your perverted followers preaching to me or anyone.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #182 on: February 08, 2018, 05:45:48 pm »
The thing with Brown is that it doesn't even matter to the PC's if what he did was true or not.  It's just bad optics to go into an election with a guy accused of sexual misconduct, so the PC's felt they needed to dump him.  He could be 100% innocent, and he should be assumed innocent until proven guilty, but the court of public opinion is most powerful here because a lot of voters will assume he's guilty & a creep and even though they shouldn't assume anything until the evidence is played out in courts, it still would hurt the PC party at election time.

What sucks is that this happens with all sorts of big companies during this #MeToo campaign.  Joe Blow who works for giant corporation X is accused of sexual harassment, & giant corporation X could do the proper thing like ie: suspend the guy until an investigation &/or trial is completed, but businesses are afraid of being seen as being soft on sexual harassment and the resulting bad PR so they just fire the guy ASAP without any due process just so they can save face.  This isn't really fair, people's lives & careers can be ruined over false allegations now very, very easily.

Yes all allegations must be taken 100% seriously and women protected from potential predators, but due process of the law must also be followed.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #183 on: February 08, 2018, 05:54:25 pm »
Perhaps the problem is in what you are saying.   Ever think of that?   Oh, of course not .... you are convinced that you are a God of all that is noble, holy and perfect. Why, the sun itself radiates out of your ass and flowers fall at your feet as you walk down the sidewalk. The wind itself sings in joy at being permitted to waft across your upturned nose.

Nonsense.  Your personal bias distorts your perception of his opinions. With due respect you are missing his point.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #184 on: February 08, 2018, 05:58:14 pm »
Other than downplaying the bad sexual behavior of men by claiming its their "nature" and declaring that its women's nature to 'control' male sexual behavior...or expect the worst.


You have removed what he said out of its context and meaning.

It is the primal nature of the male homo sapiens to have a sex drive. That is what he said.

It is the primal imperative that women biologically are the ones who reproduce and so are pursued by men to do  just that.

That is all he has said. He has condoned nothing. He has justified nothing.

He has simply stated what Jane Goodall could have told you and not caused you so much upset.

We are primates. We have primal urges. Nothing in what he said is new or profound.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #185 on: February 08, 2018, 06:00:24 pm »
And he's standing up for **** guys, whom we should just expect to behave in stupid, clumsy ways and to wheedle/force sex on women whenever they can.   Women need to modify theor behavior because men are just too **** to do do. 

Well, except for men who are from a "goatherding" country.  In that case this "natural" behavior of **** men is barbaric and those poor women are subject to an oppressive and misogynist culture.

You have totally misrepresented what he said.

He stated and I agree that BOTH men and women equally have a responsibility to control our individual  bodies and judgement as to what to do with our individual bodies.

Brown did not force himself on anyone. That was and remains the context that started this thread. He wt he did not at any time force himself on anyone.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #186 on: February 08, 2018, 06:03:19 pm »
So it seems your theory is that understanding that pouring booze into an underage girl, or using your power at work to get laid, is/are wrong, then you are a fascist. Gotcha.

You  have lied. Provide the evidence that Brown poured booze into an underaged girl or used his power at work to force sex on anyone. Provide the evidence. I call you out as a pathological liar.

Provide the evidence. See its easy for you to engage in libel on this forum you can hide behind a pseuto name can't  you. Go on provide the evidence.  "Gotcha"? With what?  Go on provide the evidence.

What a joke.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #187 on: February 08, 2018, 06:41:28 pm »
Yes but nothing you would want your sister to hear about.  But nobody would say anything either.

Then aren't you trying to hold yourself up to the standards of today rather than simply admitting you were a man like any other of your day? Now, granted, if it were Omni he wold have been the most caring, sensitive, sharing, girlyman around in the 1950s and 1960s and every girl would have wanted to be his friend and admired him his being so in touch with his feminized side and wouldn't  have even thought twice about stripping and changing around him because of course he wouldn't even look without permission, but we can't all be Omni.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #188 on: February 08, 2018, 06:54:59 pm »
Nonsense.  Your personal bias distorts your perception of his opinions. With due respect you are missing his point.
His justifications sound exactly like what was whispered to me at 12, as his hands roamed around ... "This is what men do,"   Or when I was 16, still a virgin and my best friend's father laid on top of me, muttering about how he may as well get some.   Or my mother's reaction, when I told her ... "Well, thats how men are.   Maybe you shouldn"t have been there."

So yeah, I do have some personal bias against sexist, entitled men who think that just because they are men with "natural" urges they have no choice but to be stupid, clumsy, rude, harass women, assault women, **** women.   I have no patience for the attitude that men's appetites are the responsibility of women to control because they don't have the same urges and can act as "gatekeepers" for sex.  What a **** cop-out.

I know exactly what Argus is talking about because I grew up in the same era and believing the same thing; in an earlier life, I even used the same argument against women who expressed the notion that men could and should control themselves.  It is bullshit but this belief is why women still don't admit to following their own natural urges because if they do they are denigrated as ****, with terms like "disease-filled" and "loose enough to drive a mack truck through".  Its why **** victims are interrogated on the stand about how they dressed, if they drank, their previous sexual hostory.  The underlying assumption is that men are going to try by whatever means necessary and if they are succeasful that must mean that the "gatekeeper" failed in her duty.
 
I know exactly what Argus means.  The problem is that he doesn't and apparently neither do you.



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« Reply #189 on: February 08, 2018, 06:59:26 pm »
Then aren't you trying to hold yourself up to the standards of today rather than simply admitting you were a man like any other of your day? Now, granted, if it were Omni he wold have been the most caring, sensitive, sharing, girlyman around in the 1950s and 1960s and every girl would have wanted to be his friend and admired him his being so in touch with his feminized side and wouldn't  have even thought twice about stripping and changing around him because of course he wouldn't even look without permission, but we can't all be Omni.

And again the argument .... A "real man" would not be able to control his rapey urges when confronted by a **** female.

What a lame-ass attitude.
 

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« Reply #190 on: February 08, 2018, 07:09:10 pm »
His justifications

I didn't 'justify' anything, you twit. I was simply stating how it is. In the same way as saying poor people are more likely to rob than rich people, men are more likely to try to get sex than women, who are the gatekeepers of sex. Are poor people less moral than rich people? No, but they have a lot more motivation. Does saying that suggest all poor people are thieves? Only if you're an idiot. Does saying that mean we should excuse poor people who steal? Get real, for Gods sakes.

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I know exactly what Argus means.  The problem is that he doesn't and apparently neither do you.

Oh sorry. I didn't realize you were so **** omniscient you could know what I mean better than I do.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #191 on: February 08, 2018, 07:15:33 pm »
The problem women have is they are the gate-keepers for sex, and men want sex all the time. That means nothing will stop (heterosexual)men trying to persuade, seduce, influence, put pressure on, whine, beg, bribe, or otherwise seek to get women to let them in.

Until they get those super realistic robot sex dollars, of course...

This is nonsense.   What you’re describing is a creep, or perhaps a sociopath with a lack of impulse control.  Someone who can’t control their urges and try to prey on people to have their urges fulfilled.   Normal heterosexual men don’t actually work that way.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #192 on: February 08, 2018, 07:16:55 pm »
And again the argument .... A "real man" would not be able to control his rapey urges when confronted by a **** female.

What a lame-ass attitude.

We aren't talking about ****. We're talking about Patrick Brown. Or had you forgotten in your desperate need to equate all rude or disrespectful behaviour by men with ****?
But by all means, since you can't actually discuss what anyone says, go ahead and make up what you think they probably meant to say and then accuse them for that.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #193 on: February 08, 2018, 07:18:37 pm »
This is nonsense.   What you’re describing is a creep, or perhaps a sociopath with a lack of impulse control.  Someone who can’t control their urges and try to prey on people to have their urges fulfilled.   Normal heterosexual men don’t actually work that way.

I'm not descriping "a" person. I'm simply pointing out that men want sex and women are the ones they want it from. That means that everything men do to get what they want in life, from a to z, will come into play across the spectrum of male and female interaction.

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« Reply #194 on: February 08, 2018, 07:21:21 pm »
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Oh sorry. I didn't realize you were so **** omniscient you could know what I mean better than I do.

Right.  From the guy who purports to know what women in hijabs think and feel, what progressives think and what they'll do, and all about women's sexual interest.  At least I keep my "mind reading" limited to a single person and based on his own words.   Thats gotta be better than mind reading entire swaths of people about whom I know nothing other than their gender, political leanings or an item of clothing they choose to wear.
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