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Offline BC_cheque

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« Reply #105 on: January 29, 2018, 01:19:34 am »
As in almost none. I've never talked to a woman who had much interest in young men beyond looking. Usually when I hear 40 year old women talk about 20 year old men it's 'yeah, he's cute, but he's a baby."

Now we're getting off topic, but I have to call you out on this...

First of all, I think younger men are hot so there.  Now you've talked to one who does. 

Second, men say the same BS, it doesn't mean it's true.  Mr. BC_c always says that to me about young women being pretty but he wouldn't be into one.  A little piece of me laughs inside because I know he's lying.

Third, youth = beauty and desirability so the older party has to bring something else to the table (usually money and/or status).  Historically, it's been men who've have the wealth but as women gain independence, we're seeing a lot more older women with younger men.  Just look at celebrities (J Lo, Halle Berry, Susan Sarandon, Robin Wright, Demi Moore) and you'll see this perfect example of feminist economics at play.

Fourth, judging by the number of dating sites geared toward older women and younger men, I think you don't have a clue what you're talking about.  As usual.

Last but not least, aren't you the one always telling us our personal experiences with immigrants don't count?  How come you think your own personal experiences with women should be so universally accepted?

Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #106 on: January 29, 2018, 05:52:15 am »
Off topic, also: If I were single I would not 'get with' women younger than me.  That would be a dead end, and would just feel like I was tricking stupid people into being with me.  I know lots of women my own age, and we flirt and appreciate each other on the whole.

I have known guys my age who pursued women in their 20s and they look foolish.  The guy who catches one looks even worse.

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« Reply #107 on: January 29, 2018, 05:54:25 am »

If you're in somebody's bedroom after a night of drinking, you're not in a workplace situation anymore. One might argue that a boss should have his employee in his bedroom after a night of drinking in the first place, but IMO the responsibility on that issue is split 50-50.
 

"She should have known better" than to take a tour of his house doesn't excuse him from flashing her.  And once we're discussing that question, anyway, a politician in question has been dragged down. 

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« Reply #108 on: January 29, 2018, 08:40:44 am »
"She should have known better" than to take a tour of his house doesn't excuse him from flashing her. 

If you end up in somebody's bedroom after a night out drinking together, whipping it out and asking for a hummer isn't "inappropriate", it's just clumsy.

And once we're discussing that question, anyway, a politician in question has been dragged down.

Maybe so.  I mean, lots of things render a politician unelectable.  Finding out that he likes his steak well done with ketchup, or eats pizza with a knife and fork, or refers to a basketball hoop as a ring, for example, would be likewise disqualifying in the eyes of many voters.

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« Reply #109 on: January 29, 2018, 10:41:28 am »
I like to point out the hypocrisy of people who will condemn a man as a sick creep but then worship another who did basically the same thing.

No one brought up a dead PM from 40 years ago....    you bringing him up is a complete red herring.
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Offline SirJohn

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« Reply #110 on: January 29, 2018, 11:30:58 am »
No one brought up a dead PM from 40 years ago....    you bringing him up is a complete red herring.

I brought it up to show what a hypocrite some people are. I'm sorry if that upsets you... nawwwh, not even slightly.
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« Reply #111 on: January 29, 2018, 11:37:24 am »
I brought it up to show what a hypocrite some people are. I'm sorry if that upsets you... nawwwh, not even slightly.

other than satisfying your anti-Trudeau fixation, was age discrepancy the prevailing concern raised in regards former Ontario Conservative leader Patrick Brown?

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« Reply #112 on: January 29, 2018, 11:41:55 am »
First of all, I think younger men are hot so there.  Now you've talked to one who does. 

I'm sorry you can't read but I never said that older women don't think younger guys are hot.

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Second, men say the same BS, it doesn't mean it's true.

Men say that to their wives, not to each other. And as I said, I'm not talking about having an ongoing relationship as in couples. A lot of men recognize that is problematic with a much younger women in terms of interests and maturity. That doesn't mean they don't want to **** the brains out of that 18 year old if only she'd let them.

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Third, youth = beauty and desirability so the older party has to bring something else to the table (usually money and/or status).  Historically, it's been men who've have the wealth but as women gain independence, we're seeing a lot more older women with younger men.

No question that if you're rich that makes up for a lot. But we see tons of fairly ordinary guys who are far from rich and not even that attractive having affairs with much younger women. Men are much more into going for young women than women are.

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Fourth, judging by the number of dating sites geared toward older women and younger men,

There are lots of sites on the internet. That's meaningless.

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Last but not least, aren't you the one always telling us our personal experiences with immigrants don't count?  How come you think your own personal experiences with women should be so universally accepted?

I wasn't using my anecdotes as evidence of something which I thought was pretty universally accepted as true. But I keep forgetting what fanatics you SJWs are and how desperate you are to attack me on any possible subject because I dare to say things unflattering about your cherished beliefs - like immigration. So I suppose I have to back it up so you and the rest of the mob of morons from the left can turn your frenzied attention to the next thing I decide to post.

It is a commonly accepted idea that men prefer the company of younger women, while women prefer men who are older. This is also in keeping with Parental Investment Theory, which maintains that men are attracted to women who advertise signs of fertility — that is, youth. Conversely, women are drawn to older men since they typically have greater resources. Indeed, this phenomenon of men preferring younger mates and vice versa is technically known as the age differential effect, and it has been well-documented. In a classic study of human mating from 1989, David Buss surveyed 37 cultures across 6 continents and found that in every culture in question, men preferred to marry younger women (2.66 years younger on average) and women preferred to marry older men (3.42 years older on average). In addition, Buss collected actual age differences at marriage for 27 of the 37 cultures, and across the board men normally married women who were younger than themselves.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/head-games/201308/when-it-comes-dating-do-age-differences-matter
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« Reply #113 on: January 29, 2018, 11:45:35 am »
If you end up in somebody's bedroom after a night out drinking together, whipping it out and asking for a hummer isn't "inappropriate", it's just clumsy.

I'd like to repeat that everyone keeps accepting this statement as if that was what really happened. This is the testimony of someone years later trying to make herself look good. I find it extremely unlikely that a sober guy who has been involved in politics for years - which is all about persuading people to like you -- who is trying to persuade some hot chick to give him a blow job is going to be so crass as to just drop his shorts and tell her to blow him. I find it even more incredible given she apparently complied. There was almost certainly a lot of byplay before that.
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« Reply #114 on: January 29, 2018, 02:26:45 pm »
I brought it up to show what a hypocrite some people are. I'm sorry if that upsets you... nawwwh, not even slightly.

Why would you think I’m upset?

So who’s a hypocrite?   These people only exist in your own mind....   no one here brought up Trudeau or compared the two people.   ::)

Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #115 on: January 29, 2018, 04:38:44 pm »
The fact you and MH and all you other sanctimonious righteous holier than thou sexual moral police have not mentioned Trudeau is exactly the point.
 

If you think I like Justin Trudeau then you are a secret genius of some kind.

I also don't think dating somebody younger is tantamount to assault however I don't think it's politically tenable... today.

Keep looking for hypocrisies, you might stumble on my principles at some point.

Offline Michael Hardner

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« Reply #116 on: January 29, 2018, 09:23:20 pm »
Q: "Mike why do you feel that way"
A: "Moral reasons"
Q: "You are holier than thou !"

In other words, if you feel guilty about your morality don't put it on me.  Everybody has to decide for themselves how to act.

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« Reply #117 on: January 30, 2018, 01:25:45 am »
I'm sorry you can't read but I never said that older women don't think younger guys are hot.

Yes you did, you said:  As in almost none. I've never talked to a woman who had much interest in young men beyond looking. Usually when I hear 40 year old women talk about 20 year old men it's 'yeah, he's cute, but he's a baby."

Men say that to their wives, not to each other. And as I said, I'm not talking about having an ongoing relationship as in couples. A lot of men recognize that is problematic with a much younger women in terms of interests and maturity. That doesn't mean they don't want to **** the brains out of that 18 year old if only she'd let them.

This is what you said:  Womens instincts, as I have posted earlier, are entirely different and they rarely have much sexual interest in young men. They have interest in an actual relationship with them even less often.

And I can say the same thing to you.  Women may say that to you about not being interested (or maybe the women you know really aren't), but I've known plenty of women who said and thought differently.  For fun or as relationships.

No question that if you're rich that makes up for a lot. But we see tons of fairly ordinary guys who are far from rich and not even that attractive having affairs with much younger women. Men are much more into going for young women than women are.

Lots of non-rich women have relationships with younger men as well.  I'm just talking about the paradigm shift in society where women now work and have independence.  Our social roles have changed.  Along with that comes more of the same thing men have doing all their lives and that's dating/**** younger than themselves.

There are lots of sites on the internet. That's meaningless.

No it's very relevant.  You're the one adamantly saying women just aren't interested in younger men and the fact that there are half a dozen sites for doing just that means you're obviously wrong.

As for your psychology today article, yes, I don't dispute that there are probably more men than are interested in younger women than vice versa but it's not psychological issue so much as a sociological one. 

If it were, tides would not be changing as the role of women change with us seeing more and more older women dating younger men.   

In any case, your initial statement about women just not being into younger men is downright caca.  Some women, most women even, maybe.  But definitely not a general phenomenon and definitely not from a small cohort as the women you've talked to in life.

Here is a good read for you if you're interested. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/15/fashion/15women.html




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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #118 on: January 30, 2018, 05:48:32 am »
If you end up in somebody's bedroom after a night out drinking together, whipping it out and asking for a hummer isn't "inappropriate", it's just clumsy.

"She should have known better" than to take a tour of his house doesn't excuse him from flashing her." 

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Maybe so.  I mean, lots of things render a politician unelectable.  Finding out that he likes his steak well done with ketchup, or eats pizza with a knife and fork, or refers to a basketball hoop as a ring, for example, would be likewise disqualifying in the eyes of many voters.

Or flashing his **** at an 18-year old who was drinking at his house.

Come on, the guy is a politician.  This shows ZERO judgment.

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« Reply #119 on: January 30, 2018, 10:34:57 am »
In any case, your initial statement about women just not being into younger men is downright caca.  Some women, most women even, maybe.  But definitely not a general phenomenon and definitely not from a small cohort as the women you've talked to in life.

You realize that you concede that it might well be that most women aren't interested in younger men in the second sentence and then repudiate any possibility that this a 'general phenomenon' in the one which follows?

A good synonym for 'most women' would be 'a general phenomenon.'

And I'll take a listing of all the consistent academic studies over the years on this from a psychologist over a NYT culture writer. I'll also take her word and that of other academics that it IS in fact a psychological/instinctual issue rather than entirely cultural too.
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