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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #90 on: January 28, 2018, 06:02:25 pm »
The fact that people like SirJohn still can’t grasp the idea of consent is why #metoo exists.

So you're saying Brown didn't take no for an answer, is that it?
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #91 on: January 28, 2018, 06:03:15 pm »
The fact that people like SirJohn still can’t grasp the idea of consent is why #metoo exists.
Consent has nothing to with the Browse case. In this case, when Brown initiated sexual contact the woman indicated she did not consent and Brown stopped. IOW, exactly as one would expect. It seems like some #metoo activists will only be happy unless all sexual contact is initiated by the woman because no man can risk misreading signals and initiating contact because making a wrong call could be used to destroy their career 10 years later.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #92 on: January 28, 2018, 06:03:52 pm »
Right but what ABOUT age ?

Cyber brought it up.  I don't think it's an issue but it also doesn't fly with a lot of women.  It just does not, whether it's right or wrong.

Of course it doesn't fly with women! Women clearly and for obvious reasons don't like the idea that men find them less sexy the older they get (hard to blame them) and that men will forever be boys lusting after 19 year old hotties. Womens instincts, as I have posted earlier, are entirely different and they rarely have much sexual interest in young men. They have interest in an actual relationship with them even less often.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #93 on: January 28, 2018, 06:04:26 pm »
Who are you speaking to ?

I'm speaking to anyone who thinks that age should be a consideration with regard to the determination as to what constitutes sexual assault.

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« Reply #94 on: January 28, 2018, 06:07:28 pm »
Of course it doesn't fly with women! Women clearly and for obvious reasons don't like the idea that men find them less sexy the older they get (hard to blame them) and that men will forever be boys lusting after 19 year old hotties. Womens instincts, as I have posted earlier, are entirely different and they rarely have much sexual interest in young men. They have interest in an actual relationship with them even less often.

WHO THE **** gave you authority to speak for all men and all women? It's just creepy!
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #95 on: January 28, 2018, 06:08:35 pm »
WHO THE **** gave you authority to speak for all men and all women? It's just creepy!

You wear your mom's panties to bed, don't you?
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #96 on: January 28, 2018, 06:39:15 pm »
You wear your mom's panties to bed, don't you?

Leave it to sir argus to come with **** like that. Now back to the basement.

Um, just wondering if you are male or female?
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #97 on: January 28, 2018, 06:48:39 pm »
Consent has nothing to with the Browse case.

Hmmm.  Seems to me he DID flash her without asking.  A subordinate.  And it WAS in his bedroom.

Inappropriate, but not assault IMO.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #98 on: January 28, 2018, 06:49:56 pm »
Here:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/patrick-brown-denies-sexual-misconduct-allegations-from-two-women-resigns-as-ontario-pc-leader-1.3774686

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She says she was drunk when Brown invited her for a tour of his home. When the pair entered the bedroom, Brown closed the door and exposed his **** to her.

"He pulled down his pants said, and I don’t know if he said 'suck my dick' or 'put this in your mouth,' but something along those lines,” she said.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #99 on: January 28, 2018, 07:06:14 pm »
Hmmm.  Seems to me he DID flash her without asking.  A subordinate.  And it WAS in his bedroom.
And she choose to go into his bedroom.

Inappropriate, but not assault IMO.
The fact that she was his employee makes him somewhat culpable. But that is not what people are talking about. People are talking about a perverse definition of consent where any attempt to initiate sexual activity by the man is considered assault it the attempt is rejected.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #100 on: January 28, 2018, 07:11:11 pm »
And neither were the two women complaining about Patrick Brown years later. So why is Brown a creep but Trudeau a hero?

Well, if Trudeau pulled down his pants and asked Margaret to suck his d!ck upon meeting her, we did not hear about it.  So there's that.

If it's any consolation, I personally don't think that he said/she said alone should've disqualified him but apparently his party didn't want to gamble on him. 

I'm guessing they knew he's a pig and they feared more women coming forward closer to election time. 

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #101 on: January 28, 2018, 07:12:37 pm »
And she choose to go into his bedroom.
The fact that she was his employee makes him somewhat culpable. But that is not what people are talking about. People are talking about a perverse definition of consent where any attempt to initiate sexual activity by the man is considered assault it the attempt is rejected.

No, only if the attempt is continued beyond the rejection.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #102 on: January 28, 2018, 07:18:39 pm »
Womens instincts, as I have posted earlier, are entirely different and they rarely have much sexual interest in young men. They have interest in an actual relationship with them even less often.

What kind of medieval drivel is this nonsense? 

Young men are hot and lots of women date younger men. 

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #103 on: January 28, 2018, 08:51:02 pm »
What kind of medieval drivel is this nonsense? 

It's basic social psychology. Men's instincts are to look for breeding age females. Womens are to look for a protector/provider. Not saying culture and upbringing don't have an impact but that's the instinct.

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Young men are hot and lots of women date younger men.

As in almost none. I've never talked to a woman who had much interest in young men beyond looking. Usually when I hear 40 year old women talk about 20 year old men it's 'yeah, he's cute, but he's a baby."

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #104 on: January 28, 2018, 10:37:18 pm »
Hmmm.  Seems to me he DID flash her without asking.  A subordinate.  And it WAS in his bedroom.

Inappropriate, but not assault IMO.

If he walked into her office at work and showed her his ****, then obviously that's completely unacceptable.

If you're in somebody's bedroom after a night of drinking, you're not in a workplace situation anymore. One might argue that a boss should have his employee in his bedroom after a night of drinking in the first place, but IMO the responsibility on that issue is split 50-50.

Also I was under the impression that this girl was a volunteer who organized a charity event for him, not an actual "employee" per se.

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