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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2018, 12:06:36 pm »
Most people won't say things like that unless they believe they have a friendly relationship going with the person they're talking to. ,

Judging by recent news stories, apparently not.


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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #46 on: January 26, 2018, 12:41:19 pm »
What if it was a male coworker, or your boss?

They usually get the message when I walk away and refuse to engage.

Obviously if they didn't get the message the first time and continued the comments, my first step would be to run to the media.   :D
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #47 on: January 26, 2018, 04:43:46 pm »
What is going on? Sexual assault is pretty serious business. Its forced action on someone who does not consent. Brown did not force himself on women in fact they admitted he did NOT.  So this is no t about a victim of a sexually assault and therefore they should NOT be put on the same moral  level as someone who has been raped. That to me is trivializing what sexual assault is and saying now anytime a woman regrets her actions on a date she can call it a victimization and blame it on the person she was with. I call it out for what it is bull sheeyat.

If Brown had forced himself on her, that is one thing. If he spiked her drink, that is another thing. If he KNEW in fact she was under 18 that is an issue. The evidence from the very complainants show they in fact were not the target of forced actions of any kind and we have no proof Brown knew they were underage or forced them to do anything. We have people on this forum with no proof he knew anyone was under 18 assuming he did plus  acting as if he forced himself physically on women. He did not through their own admission.

It is as another thread participant rightfully said  another Ansari situation where we have two women 10 years later regretting being with a man and years later wanting to empower themselves as having been victims-of him. If anything lets go back to Gameshi at the CBC and that case for comparison. In that case we had women after the fact regretting their actions with Gameshi who they knew was into sexual dominance and abusive role playing, then agreed to it, then regretted it. If anything people are trying to equate Brown with Gameshi. Using his power as a politician, using his fame to get sex with women. If anything they admitted he never got sex. There is no evidence he used his position to coerce sex.

Do the accusers of Brown have any responsibility for their own actions? Did they find his status sexually attractive? Was it they who thought he was powerful and therefore sexual and then at closer view saw him as a loser?

In Gameshi's case as repugnant as he may be, as narcissistic and self-centered and insensitive as he may be there was never any evidence of ****, i.e. forced sexual acts -if anything the witnesses admitted consent and then after the fact regret for their consenting. That is what has happened again-women after the fact regretting their mistaken impressions of someone however in Brown's case he did not like Gameshi force himself on anyone and the moment they said stop he did. So I argue tts after the fact second guessing by two women who are misusing a serious issue to get personal validation for having made bad choices and so I say its gone too far. The pendelum has swung too far to allow such stories to destroy careers without any defence. Enough.

Hey do me a favour- if you don't want someone to misunderstand you don't go their home alone let alone into their bed-room. Listen. If Brown forced any woman into his house physically or by slipping crap in their drink get back to me. Until then its just smarmy back stabbing political bull sheeyat.

Common sense is being thrown out the toilet. I smell a PC hatchet job by  Lisa McLeod who gave herself away today as the hatchet lady claiming she warned the PC's and they did  not listen to her. Thanks Lisa you just showed who did the hatchet job. Think about it. If she was ignored as she claims she was why did she go public to make herself a misunderstood victim? Why did she need to say what she did and seek vindication? The answer-she wanted revenge for not being picked as leader. She's shown her motive behind the agenda. She got her revenge now and this is what gave her away-she lied. She absolutely and utterly lied. She never originated the warning of Brown's Bachelor boy shenanigans. They had gone on for years before he ran for leadership and were an open source of rumours no different than it was an open secret Jack Layton was beating his wife Olivia Chow and police had been called multiple times, or that Mike Harris was a ****-faced drunk barely able to walk or talk in public in the afternoon and an abusive pig to all his staff. Its not a secret Wynne openly abuses her staff and has had a few in public and has a sewer mouth and has made inappropriate comments at young female staff. Give me a phacking break. The rumours of Trudeau being gay like his father, the rumours of Harper's wife being gay and having an affair with her female RCMP body guard, on and on. Hey who just was in the news posing before his girlfriend telling the world he is getting married to quell roomers of his being a notorious womanizer screwing and dumping women left and right. Hmmm? Oh come on he's the only one with a beard and a turban. Politics is full of sexual misconduct and pathetic people puffing their power as some kind of aphrodesiac. Trump and his porno Stormy Daniels crap with Melina was preggo. Gosh gee. Closet queens, closet pervs, Ministers getting spanked on their bottoms and peed on. Its been circulating for years upon years and its going to continue.

Its politics and its pathetic and its tainting and distracting from the serious issues associated with sexual crimes.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2018, 10:34:37 am »
I agree with much of what you wrote, Rue.  A few minor quibbles.

If he KNEW in fact she was under 18 that is an issue.

In fact the girl was 18.  Underage in this instance refers to the legal drinking age in Ontario, which is 19.  The girl was drinking alcohol underage.  It's pretty bizarre that this is being used as an attack on Brown, as if he were the one responsible for checking her ID before letting her consume liquor.

Gameshi

People remember Ghomeshi being acquitted on the sexual assault charges, but seem to forget that he was also a serial sexual harasser at CBC.  He was acquitted of the first, but never put on trial for the latter.

He would give unwanted "massages" to female staff, he would walk up behind them and grind his Ghomeshi against their behinds, he talked about them in vulgar and demeaning ways. And when numerous female staff at the CBC complained about him and were told, basically, that if they didn't like it they could go elsewhere.  He was "the talent", and they were their to service him.  Ghomeshi was a pig to his female staff, and CBC were his enablers.

Ghomeshi's sexual assault trial was a case of prosecutorial incompetence.  But Ghomeshi's workplace behavior is exactly the kind of thing #MeToo was supposed to be about.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/cbc-protected-jian-ghomeshi-say-two-ex-colleagues-with-new-harassment-claims


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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2018, 10:49:46 am »
They usually get the message when I walk away and refuse to engage.

Obviously if they didn't get the message the first time and continued the comments, my first step would be to run to the media.   :D

 ... (10 years later)

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« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2018, 10:55:24 am »
So this is no t about a victim of a sexually assault and therefore they should NOT be put on the same moral  level as someone who has been raped.

I agree with that.

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... and saying now anytime a woman regrets her actions on a date she can call it a victimization and blame it on the person she was with. I call it out for what it is bull sheeyat.

I don't think calling it 'victimization' is exactly right.  She can certainly complain publicly about being treated badly.  Why not ?

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If Brown had forced himself on her, that is one thing. If he spiked her drink, that is another thing. If he KNEW in fact she was under 18 that is an issue.

Do you think it's ok to show your **** to somebody who works for you ?  That's one of the allegations. 

If so, I have a job for you...

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The evidence from the very complainants show they in fact were not the target of forced actions...

That is not where the bar is for harassment, let alone for behaviour of a public figure, let alone for behaviour by a political leader.

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  I smell a PC hatchet job by  Lisa McLeod who gave herself away today as the hatchet lady claiming she warned the PC's and they did  not listen to her. Thanks Lisa you just showed who did the hatchet job.

Moving on... yes you may be right.

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  The rumours of Trudeau being gay like his father, the rumours of Harper's wife being gay and having an affair with her female RCMP body guard, on and on. Hey who just was in the news posing before his girlfriend telling the world he is getting married to quell roomers of his being a notorious womanizer screwing and dumping women left and right. Hmmm? Oh come on he's the only one with a beard and a turban. Politics is full of sexual misconduct and pathetic people puffing their power as some kind of aphrodesiac. Trump and his porno Stormy Daniels crap with Melina was preggo. Gosh gee. Closet queens, closet pervs, Ministers getting spanked on their bottoms and peed on. Its been circulating for years upon years and its going to continue.

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« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2018, 10:57:26 am »
In fact the girl was 18.  Underage in this instance refers to the legal drinking age in Ontario, which is 19.  The girl was drinking alcohol underage.  It's pretty bizarre that this is being used as an attack on Brown, as if he were the one responsible for checking her ID before letting her consume liquor.

He didn't drink himself.  And he had booze to give to a young woman who came over ?  That's just weird to me.   

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he was also a serial sexual harasser at CBC.  He was acquitted of the first, but never put on trial for the latter.

What's the charge ?  Really, you are fired if it's true and he was.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2018, 11:13:40 am »
Common sense is being thrown out the toilet. I smell a PC hatchet job by  Lisa McLeod who gave herself away today as the hatchet lady claiming she warned the PC's and they did  not listen to her.

From what I read today, that 'team' of advisers who all resigned the other day helped craft the message he gave when he talked to the media, and were supposed to be in the room with him, but never showed up. Instead they resigned via twitter while he was in front of the cameras...
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« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2018, 11:16:38 am »
From what I read today, that 'team' of advisers who all resigned the other day helped craft the message he gave when he talked to the media, and were supposed to be in the room with him, but never showed up. Instead they resigned via twitter while he was in front of the cameras...

Wow.  Where did you read that ?  Pretty intriguing information and I don't know what to make of it.  He had a 19% lead so... dunno.

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« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2018, 11:17:30 am »
Poor Patrick Brown. Can't a brother just try to **** his much younger female employees in peace?

How old was Margaret when Pierre Trudeau started **** her, btw? Any idea? From his bio he met her when she was 18 and she was vacationing with her family in Tahiti. He would have been in his mid forties at the time.
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« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2018, 11:19:16 am »
Wow.  Where did you read that ?  Pretty intriguing information and I don't know what to make of it.  He had a 19% lead so... dunno.

The political professionals he had brought in his chief of staff, campaign director, messaging guru were out the door before CTV's report about his alleged sexual misconduct had aired. He thought they would be alongside him as he delivered the emergency statement they helped script; instead, he ran from the cameras alone, learning afterward they had announced their resignations on Twitter while he was speaking.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/how-patrick-brown-went-from-ontario-pc-leader-to-yesterdays-man-so-quickly/article37759261/
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« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2018, 11:41:09 am »
He didn't drink himself.  And he had booze to give to a young woman who came over ?  That's just weird to me.   

I was under the impression that the drinking happened at the bar.  Regardless, I keep lots of goodies at my place that I don't use myself, for the benefit of guests and visitors who might like them.   Ok, so was Brown holding her mouth open and pouring drinks down her throat?

I ask again... where's the "misconduct"?  Even if everything these young women said is completely accurate, so what?

What's the charge ?  Really, you are fired if it's true and he was.

I'm not suggesting there should have been criminal charges brought against Ghomeshi for his conduct at CBC.  I just wanted to emphasize that while he was acquitted of the sexual assault charges he faced in court, he was never exonerated for his conduct at CBC.  Some people may have the impression that Ghomeshi's acquittal in court is also a vindication of his actions while at CBC, but it certainly is not.

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« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2018, 11:55:34 am »
The political professionals he had brought in his chief of staff, campaign director, messaging guru were out the door before CTV's report about his alleged sexual misconduct had aired. He thought they would be alongside him as he delivered the emergency statement they helped script; instead, he ran from the cameras alone, learning afterward they had announced their resignations on Twitter while he was speaking.
 

Well there it is.  Maybe they just ran from him.  What an ending.... :(

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« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2018, 12:00:09 pm »
I was under the impression that the drinking happened at the bar.  Regardless, I keep lots of goodies at my place that I don't use myself, for the benefit of guests and visitors who might like them.   Ok, so was Brown holding her mouth open and pouring drinks down her throat?

I didn't say it was wrong, just weird.  I'm a tea-totaler that keeps booze around for tipsy women who come over and I'm a politician...

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I ask again... where's the "misconduct"?  Even if everything these young women said is completely accurate, so what?

Boss showing employee **** ?

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I'm not suggesting there should have been criminal charges brought against Ghomeshi for his conduct at CBC.  I just wanted to emphasize that while he was acquitted of the sexual assault charges he faced in court, he was never exonerated for his conduct at CBC.  Some people may have the impression that Ghomeshi's acquittal in court is also a vindication of his actions while at CBC, but it certainly is not.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2018, 12:04:01 pm »
I smell a PC hatchet job by  Lisa McLeod who gave herself away today as the hatchet lady claiming she warned the PC's and they did  not listen to her. Thanks Lisa you just showed who did the hatchet job.

Conservative proponents need to make up their mind! Either the "outing" was warranted to circumvent a 'closer to election' revealing by "opponents"... or it was, as you say, a "hatchet job". Considering one reads Conservative leader Brown's predilections were well known within party circles for years... for years...

And then to read (now attacked) Lisa McLeod brought notice of these rumours multiple times in the 2017 year-end to, wait for it... wait for it... to Dimiti Soudas (Brown's campaign war-room guy), it is odd that Soudas just sat on the notices/info. One would think Soudas' time as Harper's PMO Director of Communications would have better prepared him!  ;D Ah, yes... those were the days when Soudas ran rough-shod over Harper messaging - good times!