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« Reply #420 on: February 26, 2018, 11:30:16 pm »
Patrick Brown directed top Tories to ‘get me the result I want’ in nomination now being probed by police --- https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/02/26/patrick-brown-directed-top-tories-to-get-me-the-result-i-want-in-nomination-now-being-probed-by-police.html

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Brown personally directed his top party officials to “get me the result I want” in Tory nomination now the subject of a police investigation into alleged fraud and forgery, the Star has learned.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #421 on: February 26, 2018, 11:36:13 pm »
New twist in PC civil war as Hillier accuses Patrick Brown of ‘crooked’ politics, calls for investigation --- https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/02/20/pc-civil-war-takes-new-twist-as-hillier-calls-for-investigation-of-patrick-brown.html

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The civil war in Ontario’s Progressive Conservative party has taken a dramatic turn as Tory MPP Randy Hillier called for an investigation of ousted leader — and new leadership candidate — Patrick Brown.

Hillier filed a complaint with Ontario’s Integrity Commissioner Tuesday, citing “deeply troubling” questions about Brown’s personal finances as detailed in the annual public filing all MPPs must make.

Watchdog overseeing MPP finances demands more information on Patrick Brown's house and mortgage arrangements
--- https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/02/22/watchdog-overseeing-mpp-finances-demands-more-information-on-patrick-browns-house-and-mortgage-arrangements.html

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Integrity Commissioner J. David Wake has asked for details about rental income Brown receives from his five-bedroom house on Lake Simcoe’s Shanty Bay.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #422 on: February 26, 2018, 11:50:10 pm »
is there fire... where there's lots and lots and lots of smoke... and... pending due process?

Patrick Brown out of Ontario PC leadership race --- https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/patrick-brown-out-of-ontario-pc-leadership-race-1.3819495

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Since his resignation in the wake of sexual misconduct allegations levelled against him by two women, as reported by CTV News on Jan. 24, Brown, 39, has been facing other allegations, including financial mismanagement and questions over inflated party membership numbers.

And on Monday, the Toronto Star published a report that Brown told Ontario PC officials to “get me the result I want” in a candidate nomination contest now under police investigation.
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Brown alleged Monday that his political foes were collaborating with the media “through an endless supply of rumours and innuendo” and said his friends have been “subjected to attacks” while family members are suffering “anxiety and panic attacks requiring medical intervention.”
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Brown’s withdrawal also comes on the day the provincial integrity commissioner confirmed he was investigating allegations about Brown, brought by PC MPP Randy Hillier, and days before a leadership debate in Ottawa.
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Brown formally served a notice of libel against CTV News on Feb. 26, alleging its Jan. 24 report was "false, malicious, irresponsible and defamatory."

CTV News stands by its reporting and will actively defend its journalism in court.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #423 on: February 27, 2018, 07:14:45 am »
Be careful what you wish for.  Brown is gone and I doubt that it will put a dent in the PC's chances, especially if they get a strong centrist woman in place.

Three WOMEN running for the premier !?!?  WHAT A PROVINCE !

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #424 on: February 27, 2018, 07:47:36 am »
They REALLY!!! didn't want him as leader.

Oh well. As I said, it seems a Colobus Monkey could win this election if they don't say anything stupid.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #425 on: February 27, 2018, 07:57:45 am »
C-Monkey in 2018.  For change.

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« Reply #426 on: February 27, 2018, 09:59:06 am »
Brown being out of the race again looks like a good thing for the PC party.  The only way I can see it ending badly for them is if Mulroney and Elliot split the "normal people" vote while the "asshole" vote all consolidates around Doug Ford.

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« Reply #427 on: February 27, 2018, 11:57:59 pm »
keep digging! You've chosen to pit your amateur-hour googly sleuthing prowess against the perspective and interpretation of the accusers and their sexual misconduct allegations - you completely discount it/them.

No "googly sleuthing prowess" is required. We have the accusers' stories in their own words  And as I keep saying, nothing in their stories approaches this threshold of "abuse" that people keep saying.

instead of offering your interpretive response to why the respective accusers, as individuals, came forward you deflected by applying that request collectively and dismissing it with a curt suggestion that simply asking for "the why" aligned with a conspiratorial plot.

What in the fizzityuck does that pile of word salad even mean?  I know all of those words, but they are meaningless in the order in which you have combined them.  It looks like something a not-very-bright AI algorithm would spit out.  If you rephrase your comment/question/whatever the fuck it is, into something intelligible, I'll respond to it.

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« Reply #428 on: February 28, 2018, 02:25:20 am »
No "googly sleuthing prowess" is required. We have the accusers' stories in their own words  And as I keep saying, nothing in their stories approaches this threshold of "abuse" that people keep saying.

c'mon, your googly was burnin' up! Clearly, you are not the arbiter of what constitutes the labeled 'sexual misconduct'. Nor do you have standing to completely ignore, negate and trivialize the perspective and interpretation of the women accusers, particularly in the face of the accused offering no personal event particulars/details and no comment other than to simply deny the allegations.

What in the fizzityuck does that pile of word salad even mean?  I know all of those words, but they are meaningless in the order in which you have combined them.  It looks like something a not-very-bright AI algorithm would spit out.  If you rephrase your comment/question/whatever the fuck it is, into something intelligible, I'll respond to it.

that's quite the deflection; now your second. It's really a simple question that was put to you... that you keep ignoring and deflecting from. C'mon you spent a lotta cycles in your amateur hour sleuthing to pass judgement on the accusers and discount their understanding of the events - to trivialize their accusations. With your latest statement that, "Their stories may be true or at least partly true", you're clearly adamantly and repeatedly holding up your personal interpretation of sexual misconduct over the veracity of the accusers accusations. I'm quite surprised the accused and his legal team didn't have your awareness and insight - why did they bother denying the allegations when they could have just taken your position that the allegations don't even rise to the level of sexual misconduct?

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« Reply #429 on: February 28, 2018, 09:18:55 am »
c'mon, your googly was burnin' up! Clearly, you are not the arbiter of what constitutes the labeled 'sexual misconduct'. Nor do you have standing to completely ignore, negate and trivialize the perspective and interpretation of the women accusers, particularly in the face of the accused offering no personal event particulars/details and no comment other than to simply deny the allegations.

We all have access to the accusers' stories in their own words.   We all have every right to form our own opinion about their stories. We're not required to meekly accept that these womens' stories are "deeply disturbing" and so on. We get to decide that for ourselves. And as I said repeatedly, right from day one:  even if their stories are completely true, these stories simply aren't a big deal.  This is Aziz Ansari stuff, not Harvey Weinstein stuff. And trying to ride the coat-tails of #MeToo to turn these unimportant accusations into a media bombshell will only serve to undermine the movement as a whole.

that's quite the deflection; now your second. It's really a simple question that was put to you... that you keep ignoring and deflecting from. C'mon you spent a lotta cycles in your amateur hour sleuthing to pass judgement on the accusers and discount their understanding of the events - to trivialize their accusations. With your latest statement that, "Their stories may be true or at least partly true", you're clearly adamantly and repeatedly holding up your personal interpretation of sexual misconduct over the veracity of the accusers accusations.

With all the waldoing removed, you're basically trying to argue that people must accept without question that these allegations are of great significance.  That's clearly retarded.

I'm quite surprised the accused and his legal team didn't have your awareness and insight - why did they bother denying the allegations when they could have just taken your position that the allegations don't even rise to the level of sexual misconduct?

I'm not on Patrick Brown's legal or communications strategy team. I can only assume they decided that saying "yeah, so what?" would not be well-received.

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« Reply #430 on: February 28, 2018, 09:24:48 am »
As I've said more than once, I don't care about Patrick Brown or his political fortunes.   What I do care about is the overall integrity of the #MeToo movement. It will be extremely unfortunate if the legitimate goals of the movement get dragged down in the way that OccupyWallstreet and Black Lives Matter were dragged down, by people piling on until the whole movement becomes a bunch of meaningless griping.

Ashleigh Banfield speaks on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bAULTwAJU

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #431 on: February 28, 2018, 11:51:56 am »
We all have every right to form our own opinion about their stories.

I agree, as does the PCO caucus, party, and the people of Ontario.