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« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2018, 08:03:00 pm »
Never try to fuck a squid.

Keep your maritime rules out east, thanks.  Ontarians don't need your rules.

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« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2018, 08:05:38 pm »
Keep your maritime rules out east, thanks.  Ontarians don't need your rules.

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« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2018, 08:38:50 pm »
I don’t care where you’re from, it’s still wrong.

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« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2018, 08:53:10 pm »
If we take that article on face-value, climbing on top of drunk young ladies without asking is creepy enough to count as “misconduct”.  Certainly wouldn’t want him leader of a political party.

She says he started kissing her, laid her down on the bed, and climbed on. And when she told him to stop, he did.  I mean... if you meet somebody at a bar, go home with them, go to their bedroom, and are surprised that they've gotten the impression you're interested in having sex, you might be a moron of some kind. Or terribly naive. Or maybe both. To me this doesn't sound like sexual assault, it sounds like a (pretty understandable) case of misreading someone's signals.

Is this really something that disqualifies someone from public office?  Is this what women are now demanding to be protected against? To me this is getting extremely ridiculous. 

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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2018, 06:01:16 am »
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/patrick-brown-resigns-ontario-pc-1.4503040

Here's the story.  While it's definitely not something that would be considered "bad" in the Clinton era, trying to seduce much-younger underlings isn't well-regarded in these times.  I think he would have got a 'pass' from the press even a few years ago.

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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2018, 09:11:32 am »
She says he started kissing her, laid her down on the bed, and climbed on. And when she told him to stop, he did.  I mean... if you meet somebody at a bar, go home with them, go to their bedroom, and are surprised that they've gotten the impression you're interested in having sex, you might be a moron of some kind. Or terribly naive. Or maybe both. To me this doesn't sound like sexual assault, it sounds like a (pretty understandable) case of misreading someone's signals.

Is this really something that disqualifies someone from public office?  Is this what women are now demanding to be protected against? To me this is getting extremely ridiculous. 

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The one about Kent Hehr is even worse. One woman tweets that he was a creep ten years ago, and sometimes said things like "You're yummy". Seriously? She says she felt 'unsafe".  He's in a wheelchair in a public building! What the hell are you feeling unsafe for!?

I really don't like the terms being tossed around in these cases "Victims" "brave" "survivor". Firstly they're gross exagerations of what happened and second they totally diminish the trauma of rape victims. I mean can you imagine the group therapy session?

"And this is Amy who was gang raped by five men, beaten and spent a month in the hospital."

Amy smiles bravely.

"And then over here is Suzie who was subjected to a disabled man calling her yummy."

Suzie cries hysterically.

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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2018, 09:30:00 am »
Yeah, or the one where the MP filed a complaint because the other MP said "not my idea of a threesome" while they were having a picture taken was pretty absurd. Or Niki Ashton crying about "gendered violence" because Justin Trudeau brushed against a woman's chest during "Elbowgate".  I hate it. I just hate it.

After the Aziz Ansari story broke, the sharp criticism from older women had observers talking about a rift between "old line" feminists and younger feminists. Old line feminists promoted the view that women are strong and capable and independent.  Younger feminists apparently believe that women are weak stupid babies who need to be protected from everything and can't take responsibility for anything in their lives.   I'm apparently "old line".

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« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2018, 09:37:02 am »
I don't think a guy should lose his job for calling a woman yummy.  I do think its important that men realize just how uncomfortable and unsettling this kind of behavior can be.  Saying "its not that bad, get over it" isn't helpful simply because it relieves men of the responsibility for their rude and inappropriate behavior.  Its not much different than a man who, when a woman turns down his advances, calls her a bitch.

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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2018, 11:02:51 am »

  I'm apparently "old line".

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Me too.  I don't even find it "uncomfortable and unsettling" when men make a comment like "You're yummy."

Man:  You're yummy!
Me:  Excuse me?
Man:  I said, You're yummy.
Me:  That's what I thought you said.   **walks away**
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2018, 11:07:30 am »
Ok, there's got to be more than just one comment.

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« Reply #40 on: January 26, 2018, 11:19:57 am »
Ok, there's got to be more than just one comment.

Exactly.  That's my point. :)
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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2018, 11:26:12 am »
Me too.  I don't even find it "uncomfortable and unsettling" when men make a comment like "You're yummy."

Man:  You're yummy!
Me:  Excuse me?
Man:  I said, You're yummy.
Me:  That's what I thought you said.   **walks away**

What if it was a male coworker, or your boss? 

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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2018, 11:49:10 am »
I've always found Christie Blatchford to be a pretty commonsense columnist, which means the Left generally despise her of course.

For all the other moments #MeToo has wrought, the Patrick Brown story is seminal: A political leader is cut down like a sapling in the forest in a matter of hours, and none of his colleagues, in and outside of the Ontario Conservative party, and including the Ontario premier and the prime minister of Canada, have one word to say in the defence of fair play or the presumption of innocence.

This — not the anonymous allegations of Brown’s accusers from the shadows — is what is shocking and disgraceful about this story


And speaking to the 'brave' accusers: , I can think of almost nothing that requires less fortitude than accusing someone else of wrongdoing when your own face, name and identity are hidden.

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/christie-blatchford-what-happened-to-brown-is-fundamentally-wrong-every-man-in-the-world-is-now-vulnerable/wcm/d585406a-5f73-4698-b777-7791981ec651
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« Reply #43 on: January 26, 2018, 11:52:52 am »
What if it was a male coworker, or your boss?

Most people won't say things like that unless they believe they have a friendly relationship going with the person they're talking to. And mostly in joking. We're not robots. We do notice things. You can't harass someone, but harassment is defined, in most organizations, as a continuing/ongoing stream of such things after the recipient has made it clear he or she doesn't appreciate it.
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« Reply #44 on: January 26, 2018, 12:04:34 pm »
Poor Patrick Brown. Can't a brother just try to fuck his much younger female employees in peace?