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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2018, 11:25:44 am »
Doesn't sound good for Brown, his career is toast.

What I don't understand is how 2 completely separate allegations from 2 different women can come to light at the exact same time?  How does that work? 
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2018, 11:32:30 am »
Giving booze to someone underage is part of it but... tbh I didn't hear any details of 'assault'.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2018, 11:32:57 am »
Sounds like the guy is a total creep.   I’m surprised Harper didn’t appoint him the the Senate.

Why is he a total creep? Because as an unmarried heterosexual guy he came on to young women?
And then backed off as soon as they said no.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2018, 11:33:32 am »
Doesn't sound good for Brown, his career is toast.

What I don't understand is how 2 completely separate allegations from 2 different women can come to light at the exact same time?  How does that work?

People with knives ready... possibly Liberals set to do the same thing 3 weeks before election and PCs saw a chance to put somebody with better poll numbers in.

At this point, that could mean a crash-test-dummy with a picture of Bill Davis duct taped to its face.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2018, 11:36:52 am »
Giving booze to someone underage is part of it but... tbh I didn't hear any details of 'assault'.

Did Brown know how old she was, that she was eighteen not nineteen? Was it his responsibility to find out? They were at a night club. Shouldn't the night club have verified ages? In the case of the first girl they met at a bar and there's no suggestion he plied her with alcohol. Shouldn't the bar have verified her age?

I thought that statement, from the story, was infantalizing. "He and others gave me alcohol".
Sorry? Did they hold you down and shove it down your throat? No? Oh, so you decided to drink on your own as an adult to the point you were 'very drunk'.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2018, 01:03:37 pm »
The question I have is whether anyone would care the slightest about these allegations, even if they were true, were he not a politician and were this not the year of 'metoo'.
Seriously? People heard about this and they're appalled by it.

I'm pretty sure if people hear about incidents that don't reach the news.....they're probably also appalled by it.

I know this might blow your mind, but the world doesn't revolve around just the things that you hear or know about.

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« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2018, 03:49:13 pm »
Seriously? People heard about this and they're appalled by it.

Why? What aspect of it strikes people as so unusual they're 'appalled"?

Because what it sounds like to me is two women who Brown tried somewhat ham-handedly to seduce, and immediately stopped when they declined.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2018, 04:27:35 pm »
Why? What aspect of it strikes people as so unusual they're 'appalled"?

Because what it sounds like to me is two women who Brown tried somewhat ham-handedly to seduce, and immediately stopped when they declined.

Unless there's more to these incidents than what is reported, I don't see why this would be appalling.

They willingly drank alcohol, they willingly went to his house, and when he tried to get amorous and when they refused he stopped.

Uncomfortable for both parties, I'm sure, but is it appalling?  Not so sure about that.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2018, 05:26:24 pm »
The timing has to be looked at. The story broke coincidentally at a time to detract beautifully from the Liberal hack conviction clearly tainting Kathleen Wynne. That has to have many asking who leaked the story.

Let's review. The rumours associated with Pat Brown have gone on for many years but no one in the press broke the story as they have not for other politicians because there's been no corroborated proof. Now suddenly the CTV news network with unsubstantiated evidence  breaks it right after the Liberal conviction?

You are asked to believe no one knew about this until the time it was broken by CTV. That makes no sense. It was known. You are asked to believe the Liberals sat on it until now. You are asked to believe the NDP sat on it. You are asked to believe the PC Party sat on it and never vented it when he was elected leader.

I say bullshit to that. There is no way a story like this sits and is released at the time it is unless its a deliberate set up. The most obvious choice is Liberals because they have much to gain from the detraction from their scandal.

However I will say to TimG the cynic in me says it might just as well have been an inside hatchet job by the PC's and I will tell you why. There was no love loss for Brown in the PC's. There was open talk they did not want him going into the election based on the feeling he just didn't have what it takes. He was very much a compromise candidate slipping in unintended as the big players divided the vote. So whether wannabee leaders Vic Fedeli, Raitt, etc., got together and said let's get rid of him is possible. Why? If you pick a new leader now with unanimous caucus consensus and no convention-he or she can ride into the election on a higher moral ground than Kathleen Wynne saying when the PC's are in any way associated with wrong doing we act. When the Liberals are they deny. A skilled communications team for the PC's could demonstrate the personal sexual issues of Brown do not reflect on its policies, but the cover up in the Liberals is directly related to Wynne and how she will NOT take responsibility for an election campaign cover-up. Its a high moral ground a skilled PC Leader could storm into office on, complete with white horse and shining armour.

However at this point in time, I don't see any one PC leader candidate with the dynamic screen presence required to carry that off. There just are not any. Now some people mention Carolyn Mulroney. Nonsense. She has never run for audience. You can't parachute a green outside into the Premier's office. You would as a  PC planner, hope she gets elected, shows her stuff, then is promoted to cabinet and then eventually runs for leadership. This magic presto act does not happen.

So who steps in? Vic Fedeli? He comes across very very smarmy and has twice turned off his own party. I think the former wife of the deceased finance Minister in the Harper regime, wants in. I think Hudak loyalists have a few people in mind, but most probably Jim Nielsen who is bland and boring but clean on scandal.

All that said this could easily as be a PC insider back stab as it was a Liberal back stab.

It is also conceivable the stupid public is easily distracted and puts Wynne back in which would be disasterous. Or its conceivable Ms. Horvath comes in based on a vacuum of leadership concern with the other 2 parties another financial disaster.

So what does this mean? I need to run for office. I will appoint Dia Minister of Culture, Godess my Education Minister, and Sir J my Solicitor General and have him crack down and arrest Omni and the other leftist bleedinghearts on this forum. I will make TimG Finance Minister. Anyone else if you want positions, start sucking up. MH if he is lucky I will get a park attendant's job.

On that note I am off to another matrix in the 5th dimension for some intense vibrations before I return in time to see Wynne spelled Wyne based on the Mandela effect.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2018, 05:36:29 pm »
I could  do your job, mine and your significant other's I am sure.

Anyway, the question is whether the Liberals would have waited a little longer on this until the PCs were truly screwed.  It could have been other PC people who knew they still had time to get somebody better.... MUCH better.

tbh I am hoping they come up with somebody with fresh ideas, not another lawyer or hack.  I am hopeful, as these types of things sometimes provide an opening for something new.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2018, 06:02:30 pm »
Well, hell, in a world where you lose your cabinet position because someone said you told her she was 'yummy' in an elevator a decade earlier in another job I suppose actually propositioning a woman should lead to a criminal conviction.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2018, 07:45:46 pm »
I read the Toronto Star story that Sir John linked to earlier.  The headline says Patrick Brown is accused of "sexual misconduct", but after reading the article I'm still trying to figure out what the "misconduct" actually is.  This is a non-story on a par with the Aziz Ansari hatchet-job from earlier this month.



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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2018, 07:54:46 pm »
I read the Toronto Star story that Sir John linked to earlier.  The headline says Patrick Brown is accused of "sexual misconduct", but after reading the article I'm still trying to figure out what the "misconduct" actually is.  This is a non-story on a par with the Aziz Ansari hatchet-job from earlier this month.



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If we take that article on face-value, climbing on top of drunk young ladies without asking is creepy enough to count as “misconduct”.  Certainly wouldn’t want him leader of a political party.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2018, 07:56:13 pm »
I take comfort in knowing that there probably aren't enough indignant resources out there for this trend to include non-celebrities' unsuccessful (or otherwise) attempts to get laid.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2018, 07:57:34 pm »
If we take that article on face-value, climbing on top of drunk young ladies without asking is creepy enough to count as “misconduct”.  Certainly wouldn’t want him leader of a political party.
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