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Patrick Brown #MeToo
« on: January 24, 2018, 09:20:15 pm »
The single craziest news conference since Rob Ford... Brown faced the cameras and almost broke down as he announced he was accused of sexual misconduct... falsely.  in the 1/2 hour since the news conference his team has resigned.

Very sad day for everyone.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2018, 09:30:32 pm »
The single craziest news conference since Rob Ford... Brown faced the cameras and almost broke down as he announced he was accused of sexual misconduct... falsely.  in the 1/2 hour since the news conference his team has resigned.

Very sad day for everyone.

If he was falsely accused, why did his team resign?  Or did they resign in support of him? 

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2018, 09:50:54 pm »
If he was falsely accused, why did his team resign?  Or did they resign in support of him?
Because the environment is so toxic they did not want their careers destroyed because they worked to defend someone who could never be *proven* innocent in the court of public opinion.

Given the stakes this is most likely a political tactic by Wynne/Liberal players.
This kind of thing is why the vigilante culture will only lead to grief.
This is why "innocent until proven guilty" is enshrined in our justice system.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2018, 10:02:37 pm »
"Most likely"

Pretty bold.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2018, 10:34:57 pm »
Because the environment is so toxic they did not want their careers destroyed because they worked to defend someone who could never be *proven* innocent in the court of public opinion.
I haven't really been following this, but if so - that's too bad.  I agree it's gone too far in terms of even the slightest allegation destroying someone's life and career.   

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This is why "innocent until proven guilty" is enshrined in our justice system.

And why you think it's just fine to assume "Given the stakes this is most likely a political tactic by Wynne/Liberal players.".   Is there any reason beyond your dislike of Liberals/liberals that you would assume it's a nefarious plot to ruin a Conservative?



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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2018, 10:41:10 pm »
And why you think it's just fine to assume "Given the stakes this is most likely a political tactic by Wynne/Liberal players.".   Is there any reason beyond your dislike of Liberals/liberals that you would assume it's a nefarious plot to ruin a Conservative?
I guess that too much of a stretch given the available information but it was motivated by track record of the Liberals who have never let ethics get in the way of being re-elected. We will have to wait and see what the allegations are but the timing is way to convenient.

That said, we can rail about the injustice as much as we like but he likely has to step down for the good of the party and the good of Ontario which desperately needs to kick the corrupt Liberals to the curb. I believe this is why his staff resigned.
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2018, 10:43:52 pm »
I guess that too much of a stretch given the available information and it was motivated by track record of the Liberals who have never let ethics get in the way of being re-elected.

I know what you mean; daily, I see the Conservative party post pure bullshit about what the Liberals are up to --- seems like you just can't trust a political party to act ethically. 

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2018, 11:10:33 pm »
I know what you mean; daily, I see the Conservative party post pure bullshit about what the Liberals are up to --- seems like you just can't trust a political party to act ethically.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2018, 11:45:08 pm »
Because the environment is so toxic they did not want their careers destroyed because they worked to defend someone who could never be *proven* innocent in the court of public opinion.

Given the stakes this is most likely a political tactic by Wynne/Liberal players.
This kind of thing is why the vigilante culture will only lead to grief.
This is why "innocent until proven guilty" is enshrined in our justice system.

Bingo.  Though no evidence Wynne/Liberal Party was behind this.  Maybe her supporters though.  Or it could all be true.  We don't know.  Innocent until proven guilty.  We can't have an environment where men's careers are completely destroyed based on an allegation without any evidence, or we'll have chaos.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2018, 03:37:05 am »
I believe this is why his staff resigned.

uhhh... no. Reporting states staff resigned cause Brown initially wouldn't resign as leader of the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario . But now he has.


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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2018, 07:13:40 am »
I guess that too much of a stretch given the available information but it was motivated by track record of the Liberals who have never let ethics get in the way of being re-elected. We will have to wait and see what the allegations are but the timing is way to convenient.

Seems like you're stepping back from the 'set up' accusation, which I appreciate - frankly.  I also concur that this Liberal government is likely the most cynical we have had in memory.

My 'Ontario politics insider' guy tells me that the Liberals AND the PCs had these stories ready to go, and there were rumours about Brown for a long time.  He thinks it was PC party people who did it, maybe sensing that there's another leader ready to win.  His logic is that if the Liberals were behind this, they would have done it with a month to go before the vote.

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I believe this is why his staff resigned.

They are lucky.  If they get a likeable replacement, they could win.  They SHOULD win.  This may in fact promote a new 'just in time' model to leadership campaigns.

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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2018, 10:57:21 am »
I know what you mean; daily, I see the Conservative party post pure bullshit about what the Liberals are up to --- seems like you just can't trust a political party to act ethically.

Name this bullshit. I can name lots of bullshit the Liberals are up to in Ontario.
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2018, 11:00:13 am »
So here are the allegations. I went to the organization I felt most likely to give the juiciest, nastiest angle on it possible, the Toronto Star.

The question I have is whether anyone would care the slightest about these allegations, even if they were true, were he not a politician and were this not the year of 'metoo'.

In the first one you have to bear in mind that Brown was only 22 when elected to Barrie city council (the Star doesn't mention this). Also, Brown is not married.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/01/24/pc-leader-patrick-brown-holds-late-night-press-conference-to-deny-allegations-of-sexual-misconduct.html
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Re: Patrick Brown #MeToo
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2018, 11:05:55 am »
Sounds like the guy is a total creep.   I’m surprised Harper didn’t appoint him the the Senate. 

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2018, 11:23:50 am »
Name this bullshit. I can name lots of bullshit the Liberals are up to in Ontario.

Yes, the point I am making is that political parties accuse "the other party" of all kinds of bullshit.  A point which TimG got but seems to have gone over your head.  :)