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Offline ?Impact

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Re: Other Provinces
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2018, 02:05:51 pm »
Now flash forward 25 years. While average provincial debt, the PBO projects, will increase modestly, to 36 per cent of GDP, the deterioration in the position of some provinces is quite startling: New Brunswick’s debt, now at 34 per cent of GDP, leaps to 115 per cent; Manitoba’s, from 37 per cent to 105 per cent; Newfoundland’s, from 32 per cent to 76 per cent.

So what about Ontario? It seem that "your team" always picks on Ontario, they are according to "your team" the worst of the worst of the worst in the entire world. Where do they stack up in that metric?

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« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2018, 02:39:04 pm »
I disagree. The Atlantic provnces, particularly the Maritimes as a region have distinct interests that do overlap, but are very different from Quebec (the next closest province). The Maritimes are also culturally distinct from the other regions. Suffice it to say, they should precisely enough of a voice in the legislature that neither Ontario nor Quebec gets to decide for the Maritimes their destiny.

You guys seem to have a really big issue with sovereignty and what that means in this context.

I don't like them because they are populist garbage.

Just because I don't like them, doesn't mean that I support an electoral system that is unrepresentative. If they had 6 seats in a proportional system, that's what they deserve based on the number of people who voted for their mouth-breathing idiocy.

Why is proportional system good on a provincial level but not federal?

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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2018, 05:44:40 pm »
Federal is proportional in the lower house. Regions are balanced in the upper house.

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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2018, 07:02:11 pm »
Federal is proportional in the lower house. Regions are balanced in the upper house.

Regions not provinces. Ontario and Quebec are individual regions, BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba get lumped together as do the Maritime provinces regardless of whether their interests are completely different. Provinces should be equal in the Senate but Quebec and Ontario will never allow it.
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2018, 07:15:39 pm »
Provinces should be equal in the Senate but Quebec and Ontario will never allow it.

So you think a province of 14 thousand should hold the same national power as a province of 14 million? That is 1000:1 ratio, and you call that democracy?

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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2018, 07:39:06 pm »
So you think a province of 14 thousand should hold the same national power as a province of 14 million? That is 1000:1 ratio, and you call that democracy?

Depends on what the Senate's powers were. If it was OK with BC and Alberta which each have double the population of the Maritimes plus Newfoundland and Labrador and over 30 times that of PEI, why not?
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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2018, 10:17:14 am »
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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2018, 10:43:03 am »
NB government falls....   new minority PC government to take over!

https://nationalpost.com/news/newsalert-new-brunswicks-liberal-government-falls-after-throne-speech-defeated

Brian Gallant showed a lot of class:  He wished the Tories luck, saying: “Their success will be New Brunswick’s success.”

Good on him.

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« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2018, 11:33:18 am »
Brian Gallant showed a lot of class:  He wished the Tories luck, saying: “Their success will be New Brunswick’s success.”

Good on him.
Words are meaningless. We will see if they actually have the opportunity to govern.

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« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2018, 10:47:08 pm »
I dropped off my referendum ballot on voting reform today.  I voted to change tp a more proportional system. 
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« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2018, 10:54:39 pm »
I dropped off my referendum ballot on voting reform today.  I voted to change tp a more proportional system.

Us too, pro PR.  Did you see the "debate"?
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« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2018, 10:56:56 pm »
Us too, pro PR.  Did you see the "debate"?

I have it queued up to watch on YouTube when I get the chance.
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« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2018, 09:08:16 pm »
That bastion of free market capitalism, Alberta, is being forced to cut oil production by government intervention by the leftist commies in power...   Supported by the corporatist PC opposition.

Might help with some short term jobs in the tar sands....   Screw the consumers of that oil everywhere else.
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Re: Other Provinces
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2018, 09:18:07 pm »
That bastion of free market capitalism, Alberta, is being forced to cut oil production by government intervention by the leftist commies in power...   Supported by the corporatist PC opposition.

Might help with some short term jobs in the tar sands....   Screw the consumers of that oil everywhere else.

Good.  Might help with Climate Change.
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« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2018, 09:44:03 pm »
Good.  Might help with Climate Change.

How could there be anything real about climate change as we prepare to build a new pipeline? Paris Accord, shmaris accord!