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Offline bcsapper

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« Reply #45 on: December 02, 2018, 09:54:45 pm »
How could there be anything real about climate change as we prepare to build a new pipeline? Paris Accord, shmaris accord!

That's what everyone seems to think.  Paris is currently showing us the cost of trying to make people pay more for their oil.  Ironic it's the same place they all signed the accord.

Certainly the pipelines won't make any difference.
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« Reply #46 on: December 02, 2018, 10:31:27 pm »
That's what everyone seems to think.  Paris is currently showing us the cost of trying to make people pay more for their oil.  Ironic it's the same place they all signed the accord.

Certainly the pipelines won't make any difference.

I guess we can only hope that people come to realize it might cost s few bucks to save the environment.

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« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2018, 12:25:01 am »
How could there be anything real about climate change as we prepare to build a new pipeline? Paris Accord, shmaris accord!
News flash: no one really cares about CO2 if caring means personal sacrifices. The people in Canada insisting we shut down the oil industry are invariably people who believe it will have no effect on them so it is safe f** over others so they can claim 'climate virtue'. These same people would be screaming bloody murder if the government tried to regulate their job out of existence.
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« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2018, 12:34:03 am »
News flash: no one really cares about CO2 if caring means personal sacrifices. The people in Canada insisting we shut down the oil industry are invariably people who believe it will have no effect on them so it is safe f** over others so they can claim 'climate virtue'. These same people would be screaming bloody murder if the government tried to regulate their job out of existence.

The reality of the science will require a transition which will have some bumps along the way of course. But to bury ones head in the sand would result in a lot worse bumps.
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« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2018, 07:35:51 am »
The reality of the science will require a transition which will have some bumps along the way of course. But to bury ones head in the sand would result in a lot worse bumps.
The problem, to the extent it exists, does not come from oil production. It comes from all those Canadians living in big cities that expect food and supplies at the local stores, electricity on demand and transport on demand. "transitioning" the oil patch will do nothing because the oil produced locally will be replaced with imports. Of course the venal hypocrites calling for "transitioning" would never dream of making real personal sacrifices for climate change. In their minds any sacrifices must be made by others.

The futility and hypocrisy of targeting oil production can be seen in this story of how the reduced power consumption from LED lights has *increased* Christmas electricity demand in BC as people simply increase the number of Christmas lights they have on display:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4713075/large-griswold-holiday-light-displays-power-costs-bc/
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« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2018, 08:47:53 am »
I dropped off my referendum ballot on voting reform today.  I voted to change tp a more proportional system.

I didnít. I have a real problem with the way this is being done. If there is only a 50% response you could get as low as 26% of the electorate deciding to change the way we vote. If that 26% is split evenly between the three options, you could have as few as 9% deciding how we vote in future. This is a dishonest and unrepresentative way of forcing change from a bunch that says how we vote now isnít representative. As a result, I voted for the status quo. For the record, I voted for STV in the last two reforendums so I am not against change.
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« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2018, 08:56:17 am »
I didnít. I have a real problem with the way this is being done. If there is only a 50% response you could get as low as 26% of the electorate deciding to change the way we vote. If that 26% is split evenly between the three options, you could have as few as 9% deciding how we vote in future. This is a dishonest and unrepresentative way of forcing change from a bunch that says how we vote now isnít representative. As a result, I voted for the status quo. For the record, I voted for STV in the last two reforendums so I am not against change.

Your reasons for how you voted are flawed. 

The opposite is just as true....  we could be stuck with the status quo based on a low voter turnout. 

If you donít vote, you donít get a voice....   thatís on you.  My democratic vote for something shouldnít depend on people who are too stupid or lazy to cast a ballot. 


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« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2018, 09:25:51 am »
That bastion of free market capitalism, Alberta, is being forced to cut oil production by government intervention by the leftist commies in power...   Supported by the corporatist PC opposition.

Might help with some short term jobs in the tar sands....   Screw the consumers of that oil everywhere else.

Not to worry, Squid. This is not "turn off the taps".  Us BC residents will continue to receive oil through the Trans Mountain Pipeline.

Alberta will continue shipping oil as fast as possible, because there is a 35 million barrel stockpile of processed oil waiting to go through the pipelines.

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« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2018, 09:42:21 am »
Not to worry, Squid. This is not "turn off the taps".  Us BC residents will continue to receive oil through the Trans Mountain Pipeline.

Alberta will continue shipping oil as fast as possible, because there is a 35 million barrel stockpile of processed oil waiting to go through the pipelines.

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I wasnít worried Kimmy.  Just pointing out rank hypocrisy where I see it.

As I have opined before, Alberta canít ďturn off the tapsĒ to BC.  Not if it wants ďstuffĒ coming from BC ports.

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« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2018, 09:45:08 am »
Your reasons for how you voted are flawed. 

The opposite is just as true....  we could be stuck with the status quo based on a low voter turnout. 

If you donít vote, you donít get a voice....   thatís on you.  My democratic vote for something shouldnít depend on people who are too stupid or lazy to cast a ballot.

I did vote, in all three referendums. The other two required a clear majority of the electorate for change, this will probably result in a change dictated by a small minority of the electorate. I voted against change in this referendum because I think the process is undemocratic and underhanded. I voted for change in the other two when I thought the process was fair.
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« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2018, 09:49:17 am »
I did vote, in all three referendums. The other two required a clear majority of the electorate for change, this will probably result in a change dictated by a small minority of the electorate. I voted against change in this referendum because I think the process is undemocratic and underhanded. I voted for change in the other two when I thought the process was fair.

I never said you didnít vote. 

How is casting a ballot undemocratic or underhanded?

The previous process received a clear majority, but the rules were stacked against a ďyesĒ vote.  50%+1 seems fair and democratic.

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« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2018, 10:06:30 am »
I never said you didnít vote. 

How is casting a ballot undemocratic or underhanded?

The previous process received a clear majority, but the rules were stacked against a ďyesĒ vote.  50%+1 seems fair and democratic.
Itís not 50 plus 1 because there are four options.
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« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2018, 10:15:32 am »
I wasnít worried Kimmy.  Just pointing out rank hypocrisy where I see it.

What's with the "screw the consumers" remark then?  Consumers still get their products.

I talked to dad on the weekend and gas in Edmonton is 32 cents cheaper than it is here. If you're wondering who's really screwing the consumers, ask Mr Horgan.

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« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2018, 08:59:57 pm »
What's with the "screw the consumers" remark then?  Consumers still get their products.

I talked to dad on the weekend and gas in Edmonton is 32 cents cheaper than it is here. If you're wondering who's really screwing the consumers, ask Mr Horgan.

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Mr. Horgan sets the gas prices Kimmy?  That's a bit silly and partisan. 

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« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2018, 09:03:59 pm »
Itís not 50 plus 1 because there are four options.

The 50%+1 is for change.  That's counted first.  Then if there's a vote to change they look at the options people voted for. 

Did you not even read your ballot information?