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Offline Boges

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #90 on: April 23, 2018, 12:27:25 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on April 23, 2018, 12:16:14 pm
No, lets just stick to the real facts and not the made up alternative facts that seem to come from the die hard right wing. I never voted for the Liberals, and don't intend to. I want to see them gone. I don't however want to see a complete moron like Doug Ford in there.

Or Patrick Brown, or whoever else they pick they have as their leader.

The good thing about DoFo is that he can win Toronto seats that other PC candidate may have had no shot at.

That's why he's actually doing better in the polls than Brown now. Either that or people just hate Wynne so much and her desperation is off putting.
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« Reply #91 on: April 23, 2018, 01:18:03 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on April 23, 2018, 11:39:33 am
And several times more comes out over time.

What do you mean by this?
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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #92 on: April 23, 2018, 01:30:51 pm »
Quote from: Coonlight Graham on April 23, 2018, 01:18:03 pm
What do you mean by this?

The supposed money in your pockets. The last time I calculated, we paid over 3 times the amount for debt incurred and since we haven't paid back the principal yet it will be well over that in the end.
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« Reply #93 on: April 23, 2018, 01:59:32 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on April 23, 2018, 11:41:13 am
...and the cleaned up things from the PCs in the first 5 years before the recession hit, but you ignore completely. Why do you ignore hard, cold, facts?

They ran a couple of surpluses  early on right?  Well that's good at least. But those days are long gone history and aren't coming back until through 2025 and beyond according to the Liberal budget just released.  Meanwhile during those early years the Liberals began designing and implementing their disastrous hydro infrastructure and contracting plans.  The AG found that the province produces twice the electricity needed on the average day.  This is the same government obsessed with energy consumption reductions for the environment.
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« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2018, 02:05:39 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on April 23, 2018, 01:30:51 pm
The supposed money in your pockets. The last time I calculated, we paid over 3 times the amount for debt incurred and since we haven't paid back the principal yet it will be well over that in the end.

Well in principle yes a GST reduction sounds good but if it means more interest payments because the government doesn't pay down the debt yes that's not good as you say.  The CPC reduced the GST before the recession hit, bad timing i guess.
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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2018, 02:36:29 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on April 23, 2018, 11:41:13 am
...and the cleaned up things from the PCs in the first 5 years before the recession hit, but you ignore completely. Why do you ignore hard, cold, facts?

Bullshit. The Tories ran one year with a small deficit. How did that take five years of steady, heavy increases in taxes and  program spending to 'clear up', you Liberal party hack?

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #96 on: April 23, 2018, 02:38:01 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on April 23, 2018, 12:16:14 pm
No, lets just stick to the real facts and not the made up alternative facts that seem to come from the die hard right wing. I never voted for the Liberals, and don't intend to.

You've defended the Liberals at both levels against any and all complaints and allegations for years. If Trudeau wants to have a crap you rush forward to cup your hands.

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #97 on: April 23, 2018, 02:38:56 pm »
Quote from: Coonlight Graham on April 23, 2018, 02:05:39 pm
Well in principle yes a GST reduction sounds good but if it means more interest payments because the government doesn't pay down the debt yes that's not good as you say.  The CPC reduced the GST before the recession hit, bad timing i guess.

Or good timing, if you believe economic incentives help offset a recession. And since all three opposition parties were very nearly hysterical about the desperate need for economic incentive spending I fail to see how their complaints years later can be taken as anything more than total crap.
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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #98 on: April 23, 2018, 02:40:14 pm »
Quote from: ?Impact on April 23, 2018, 01:30:51 pm
The supposed money in your pockets. The last time I calculated, we paid over 3 times the amount for debt incurred and since we haven't paid back the principal yet it will be well over that in the end.

Yes, that's bad if the conservatives do it to give people more of their own money to spend, but outstanding and brilliant public policy when the liberals do it in order to finance a temporary lowering of the hydro rates before an election.

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« Reply #99 on: April 23, 2018, 03:10:16 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on April 23, 2018, 02:38:01 pm
You've defended the Liberals at both levels against any and all complaints and allegations for years. If Trudeau wants to have a crap you rush forward to cup your hands.

I guess this is one of your "nuanced" responses you try to brag about eh?
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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #100 on: April 23, 2018, 06:20:40 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on April 23, 2018, 06:18:30 pm
Wasn't trying to be nuanced, you yappy little mongrel.

Well keep trying l'il buddy, you'll get there someday.
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« Reply #101 on: April 23, 2018, 06:27:25 pm »
In New Brunswick they raised he HST back to 15%. It will be cute if they raise GST back to 7% and the province doesn’t reduce the HST by 2% because we’ll be paying 17% consumption tax if they don’t.
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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #102 on: April 23, 2018, 06:49:10 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on April 23, 2018, 02:36:29 pm
Bullshit. The Tories ran one year with a small deficit. How did that take five years of steady, heavy increases in taxes and  program spending to 'clear up', you Liberal party hack?

Bull, bull,bullshit. the Tories had several years of deficit, and only managed to balance the budget by selling off assets at firesale prices. The lost future revenue from those assets have destroyed our provincial budget.
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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #103 on: April 23, 2018, 06:51:20 pm »
Quote from: SirJohn on April 23, 2018, 02:40:14 pm
Yes, that's bad if the conservatives do it to give people more of their own money to spend, but outstanding and brilliant public policy when the liberals do it in order to finance a temporary lowering of the hydro rates before an election.

Yes, like the 407, Bruce nuclear, etc. This is the Tory destruction of our finances for decades to come.
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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #104 on: April 24, 2018, 08:00:39 am »
Quote from: ?Impact on April 23, 2018, 06:51:20 pm
Yes, like the 407, Bruce nuclear, etc. This is the Tory destruction of our finances for decades to come.

And not doubling the Provinces debt over 15 years. Blaming Harris/Eves will be a sure fire way for Wynne to lose this election. I'm eagerly awaiting Wynne's quadrennial trip to Walkerton next month.
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