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Offline Boges

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« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2018, 07:35:48 am »
geezaz! Your go-to Fraser Institute buddies are all about raising the GST back to pre-Harper cut levels. By the by, when you rail on about, say... health care wait-times (like your Fraser links/quotes (falsely) claim... just how much federal revenue has that Harper GST cut cost the government treasury in support of say, social services, hey? Why I'm reading estimates of $7 billion a year... why... it was the Harper Conservatives themselves who touted consumers would save $12 billion a year with a 2 point GST cut! Since you're on top of this, just how much money have "the people" got back since the Harper GST cuts?

geezaz, make up your mind, hey Argus!

And JT is right on raising it back to 7% right?

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« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2018, 08:17:16 am »
I saw the Attack ad referenced in this column.

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/kelly-mcparland-desperate-wynne-goes-dirty-because-what-other-choice-does-she-have

I too did a double take when I heard abortion being trotted out as an issue for the party. It must be the last bastion of desperate Liberal governments to go to that tactic.

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The abortion claim relates to Fordís willingness to let caucus members pursue legislation on matters of importance to them, and his remark that ďkids canít even get their tonsils out without the approval of their parents,Ē but that no similar consultation applies to abortion.

His opposition to cap-and-trade reflects the growing view that taxing carbon hasnít proven effective in the war against global warming, and has largely become a revenue grab for heavily-indebted governments. The PCs do not reject climate change, they simply believe the tax regime isnít helping.

The mud-flinging reflects a similar effort launched in the dying days of Paul Martinís federal government, when the Liberals prepared ads warning that Conservatives under Stephen Harper would put troops in the streets of Toronto and ban desperate women from obtaining abortions. The Ontario Liberalsí willingness to fight dirty is not in question.

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« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2018, 08:40:06 am »
I too did a double take when I heard abortion being trotted out as an issue for the party. It must be the last bastion of desperate Liberal governments to go to that tactic.

McParland, really?

It was Doug Ford that brought up abortion. It was Doug Ford that brought up carbon pricing. Sure blame the Liberals on subjects that Ford introduced. Next you will claim Ford is playing a clean campaign because he claims so, all the while ignoring he began with calling Wynne corrupt and saying there would be several members of her cabinet going behind bars. That moron is Donald Trump, complete with the "lock her up" chants despite the fact that there are willing blind and stupid followers of him.
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« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2018, 08:46:51 am »
...they amortized over a longer period of time. How many people could buy a house if they had to buy it over a 10 year amortization?

Stop with the over the top rhetoric, you can suggest we pay more for hydro by paying off loans faster but stop saying that is corrupt. You are so hyper partisan that you have to cook the story continually.

From the Globe & Mail:  "The Ontario governmentís Fair Hydro Plan reduced Ontarianís electricity bills by about 25%. But the governmentís books donít reflect the costs. The Auditor-General of Ontario says the government used ďbogusĒ accounting to hide the debt from their books."
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« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2018, 08:47:39 am »
McParland, really?

It was Doug Ford that brought up abortion. It was Doug Ford that brought up carbon pricing. Sure blame the Liberals on subjects that Ford introduced. Next you will claim Ford is playing a clean campaign because he claims so, all the while ignoring he began with calling Wynne corrupt and saying there would be several members of her cabinet going behind bars. That moron is Donald Trump, complete with the "lock her up" chants despite the fact that there are willing blind and stupid followers of him.

Wynne is corrupt. And that's the type if fear mongering we saw in 2006 with Troops in the Street ads. Ford is Pro Choice but the point is valid that there are so many things parents have to be consulted about before a kid can do it, but not abortion? It doesn't mean he's looking to take anyone's right away.

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« Reply #80 on: April 23, 2018, 09:44:07 am »
Wynne is corrupt. And that's the type if fear mongering we saw in 2006 with Troops in the Street ads.

waldo schooling (yet again): as you've been advised previously... that much ballyhooed "troops in the streets" never saw more than a few short "minutes" on a website... it never got any mainstream play as an attack ad... more pointedly, it was Paul Martin who ordered it taken down. I'm shocked you don't listen to the waldo - shocked, I tells ya - shocked!

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« Reply #81 on: April 23, 2018, 09:54:02 am »
Again, ignoring the deficit they were handed. A valid look is from a sound financial standing - period. Pretending that deficit was fake is just as foolish as you pretending the surplus the Liberals had this year is fake - it exposes your extreme partisan bias.

The ON liberals came into power in 2003, it's now 2018.  They've had 15 years to show how they can manage taxpayer money.  Blaming their performance on some other government from 15 years ago doesn't fly.  Yes they had to deal with the recession, but they dealt with it by spending into oblivion (much of it wasteful) beyond what the vast majority of other sub-national governments had to do to get through the recession.  The province has the worst debt of any regional government in the world.

Their spending has been foolish.  They vastly over-spent on hydro infrastructure that ON residents don't use & is sitting around burning money & will continue to do so for decades, meanwhile every home & business in the province is paying for those mistakes out of their pockets with terribly overpriced hydro bills, that's ridiculous amounts of money from business and consumers that could have been spent in the economy but is literally being thrown in the garbage every month. Then they burnt more money on the gas plant scandal fiasco.  Then to provide relief for their huge hydro incompetence they create a scheme that will create many billions more in interest payments in the coming decades, & then fudge the books to hide the true costs (according to the auditor general).

On top of this, the Libs want to give everyone the moon when they not only don't have the revenue for it but are already deeply struggling in debt & deficit.  Free daycare, free pharmacare, free dental, free drive-clean tests, free post-secondary tuition for incomes <50k, i can't even remember them all. They want to increase spending on already ridiculous debt & deficits, the recession is over but they have no interest in returning spending to pre-recession levels, no interest in surpluses or balanced budgets through at least 2025 (unless its in an election year to try to trick people into thinking they are financially responsible). Debt interest payments alone are currently $14 billion a year and projected to increase through at least 2025.

Then they think a population of 14 million people is going to save the planet, so they hamper their economy even more by slapping all sorts of taxes on gas at the pumps so they can mispend that revenue.  Ontarians pay almost 40 cents for a every litre of gas on taxes!!  Wouldn't be so bad if that money didn't go to debt interest payments and all sorts of other waste.
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« Reply #82 on: April 23, 2018, 09:57:49 am »
waldo schooling (yet again): as you've been advised previously... that much ballyhooed "troops in the streets" never saw more than a few short "minutes" on a website... it never got any mainstream play as an attack ad... more pointedly, it was Paul Martin who ordered it taken down. I'm shocked you don't listen to the waldo - shocked, I tells ya - shocked!

As if the fear-mongering didn't hit its mark regardless. We all know about that ad because of how ridiculous it was.

Just like evoking abortion rights and Donal Trump to smear DoFo will do the same to Wynne.

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« Reply #83 on: April 23, 2018, 10:00:04 am »
Interest paid to bankster barons

Interest paid to the banks is based on debt, meaning money you spend that you don't have.  If Harper gov lowers the GST, that's money back directly into your pocket.
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« Reply #84 on: April 23, 2018, 10:46:18 am »
From the Globe & Mail:  "The Ontario governmentís Fair Hydro Plan reduced Ontarianís electricity bills by about 25%. But the governmentís books donít reflect the costs. The Auditor-General of Ontario says the government used ďbogusĒ accounting to hide the debt from their books."

And the added cost of that debt and its interest will be $21 BILLION more than was saved in reduced hydro rates...

This is what you call a policy of short term gain for long term pain. Who but an idiot implements a policy like that?
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« Reply #85 on: April 23, 2018, 10:51:13 am »
The Liberals have borrowed money to artificially lower Hydro Rates twice now. Completely ridiculous.
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« Reply #86 on: April 23, 2018, 11:39:33 am »
Interest paid to the banks is based on debt, meaning money you spend that you don't have.  If Harper gov lowers the GST, that's money back directly into your pocket.

And several times more comes out over time.

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« Reply #87 on: April 23, 2018, 11:41:13 am »
The ON liberals came into power in 2003, it's now 2018.  They've had 15 years to show how they can manage taxpayer money. 

...and the cleaned up things from the PCs in the first 5 years before the recession hit, but you ignore completely. Why do you ignore hard, cold, facts? 

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« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2018, 12:04:10 pm »
...and the cleaned up things from the PCs in the first 5 years before the recession hit, but you ignore completely. Why do you ignore hard, cold, facts?

Do they want a cookie? They've also doubled the province's debt. The PCs didn't do that.

A lot of the problems with the 2003 budget can be linked to the Blackout and SARS

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« Reply #89 on: April 23, 2018, 12:16:14 pm »
Do they want a cookie?

No, lets just stick to the real facts and not the made up alternative facts that seem to come from the die hard right wing. I never voted for the Liberals, and don't intend to. I want to see them gone. I don't however want to see a complete moron like Doug Ford in there.
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