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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2018, 03:11:37 pm »
He's the only one available. Maybe he is a doofus and maybe he'll screw up. But it's hard to imagine he could do worse than the Liberals unless it was deliberate.

He is already facing $30 billion in additional deficit from his hair brained schemes.

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« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2018, 03:20:50 pm »
He is already facing $30 billion in additional deficit from his hair brained schemes.

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« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2018, 03:26:40 pm »
Cite

Yes, where is Ford's costed plan? Cite that for me.

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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2018, 03:33:52 pm »
Yes, where is Ford's costed plan? Cite that for me.

Well then say you want a costed platform and don't make up numbers. The NDP just released their platform this week. I suspect we'll get a platform during the campaign.

Also like anyone believes the Liberals costed platform, so what good is it exactly?

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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2018, 03:56:07 pm »
Well then say you want a costed platform and don't make up numbers. The NDP just released their platform this week. I suspect we'll get a platform during the campaign.

Also like anyone believes the Liberals costed platform, so what good is it exactly?

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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2018, 03:56:49 pm »
Yes, where is Ford's costed plan? Cite that for me.

Still waiting for your cite on the $30 billion.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2018, 04:04:20 pm »
Still waiting for your cite on the $30 billion.

He already gifted billions to corporations. Ontario already has the lowest tax rate, and he wants to cut it even further. He is also transferring money from the middle class and minimum wage earners to corporations as well as he increases the deficit with his supposed 'zero tax' on minimum wage that will actually cause them to end up poorer in the end because he will cut the minimum wage and the only beneficiaries are the corporations while the taxpayer is on the hook for a billion or more.

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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2018, 04:07:43 pm »
He already gifted billions to corporations. Ontario already has the lowest tax rate, and he wants to cut it even further. He is also transferring money from the middle class and minimum wage earners to corporations as well as he increases the deficit with his supposed 'zero tax' on minimum wage that will actually cause them to end up poorer in the end because he will cut the minimum wage and the only beneficiaries are the corporations while the taxpayer is on the hook for a billion or more.

That's not taking money away from people, it's just not giving them what the previous reckless government promised. Minimum wage earners got a 30% pay hike last year.


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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2018, 04:12:30 pm »
That's not taking money away from people, it's just not giving them what the previous reckless government promised. Minimum wage earners got a 30% pay hike last year.

He said he will cancel the $15/hr wage due in 7 months, that is stealing from the poorest of the poor to give to corporations all on the back of the taxpayer.

Doug Ford is completely reckless. His latest spastic episode is to fire the board and CEO at Hydro One that will cost tens of millions, and he has zero clue what he will do to fix the mess he creates. He is a moron on steroids.

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« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2018, 08:07:23 pm »
He already gifted billions to corporations. Ontario already has the lowest tax rate, and he wants to cut it even further. He is also transferring money from the middle class and minimum wage earners to corporations as well as he increases the deficit with his supposed 'zero tax' on minimum wage that will actually cause them to end up poorer in the end because he will cut the minimum wage and the only beneficiaries are the corporations while the taxpayer is on the hook for a billion or more.

So... you made it up then?
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« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2018, 08:09:05 pm »
He said he will cancel the $15/hr wage due in 7 months, that is stealing from the poorest of the poor to give to corporations all on the back of the taxpayer.

Lowering corporate taxes to compete with other jurisdictions, including the the US, which just lowered their corporate taxes, is a legitimate economic tactic.
Raising wages to $15hr will help some people and hurt others. It will cost jobs, and the original increase has already increased inflation and led to big increases in the cost of restaurants, groceries, home support services and child care.
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« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2018, 08:14:37 pm »
Lowering corporate taxes to compete with other jurisdictions, including the the US, which just lowered their corporate taxes, is a legitimate economic tactic.

No, when you are already the lowest is is moronic. We need to restore fiscal stability and make proper infrastructure investments to attract business. The stupid Progressive Conservative privatization scandal destroyed our province, and the incompetent Liberals were no smarter and continued that idiocy.

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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2018, 08:45:05 pm »
No, when you are already the lowest is is moronic. We need to restore fiscal stability and make proper infrastructure investments to attract business. The stupid Progressive Conservative privatization scandal destroyed our province, and the incompetent Liberals were no smarter and continued that idiocy.

The government pays people so much, and gives them such rich benefits, and they have so little incentive and so much red tape that the private sector can almost always do things cheaper and faster and more efficiently and effectively. Privatization didn't 'destroy' Ontario. Fifteen years of heavy deficits is on its way to doing so, though, especially with the aid of massive mismanagement of the electric system and a resource consultation process which basically prevents any kind of new resource development in the province.
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« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2018, 08:54:23 pm »
the private sector can almost always do things cheaper and faster and more efficiently and effectively. Privatization didn't 'destroy' Ontario. Fifteen years of heavy deficits

So you alway say, but the fact is it never works out that way.

Yes privatization destroyed the revenue stream that led to deficits.

Your 15 years bullshit claim betrays you as nothing but a partisan tool.

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« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2018, 09:27:24 pm »
So you alway say, but the fact is it never works out that way.

Yes privatization destroyed the revenue stream that led to deficits.

Your 15 years bullshit claim betrays you as nothing but a partisan tool.

Oh bite me. The Liberals have NEVER balanced a budget and never will. They CLAIM that they've balanced it this year, but in fact they've only done that by pushing all kinds of expenses onto separate books to hide them. They continue to borrow billions every year, and the debt has risen every single year, including this year and last year.
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