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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« on: March 30, 2018, 08:48:14 am »
It's own thread was needed.  Have at it folks.
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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2018, 08:58:17 am »
http://pressprogress.ca/ontario-pc-leader-doug-ford-claims-hell-cut-cbc-even-though-cbc-is-not-provincially-funded/

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Responding to Ontario’s 2018 budget Wednesday, Doug Ford raised fresh questions about his basic understanding of the issues when he offered reporters a nonsensical suggestion about how he could save Ontario money: cut funding for the CBC.

I propose we only talk shit about the two leading candidates.  No one could be too happy about either.

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2018, 12:39:35 pm »
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cut funding for the CBC.

Some withered old blue-hair in St Catherine's is sending this to all her friends on Facebook. "He is such a smart man! We need common sense leadership like this!!!"

It is probably written in all-caps, and forwarded along side a picture of a kitten dangling from a tree branch with a caption that says "HANG IN THERE!"

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2018, 03:30:36 pm »
Doug Ford down 8 points ?

https://www.cp24.com/news/liberals-have-gained-ground-on-tories-with-release-of-budget-poll-suggests-1.3865652

Told you. Offer people free stuff and they'll vote for you. Ford should offer to give everyone a car. He'll win in a landslide.

I'm seriously reconsidering whether Democracy has any further usefulness. I think humans are too stupid, as a group, to be trusted to vote. We need to do something to limit the vote to the more intelligent and self-aware among them.
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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2018, 03:36:33 pm »
Told you. Offer people free stuff and they'll vote for you. Ford should offer to give everyone a car. He'll win in a landslide.

I'm seriously reconsidering whether Democracy has any further usefulness. I think humans are too stupid, as a group, to be trusted to vote. We need to do something to limit the vote to the more intelligent and self-aware among them.

I guess the ageing process does make some people overly cantankerous.

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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2018, 03:48:26 pm »

I'm seriously reconsidering whether Democracy has any further usefulness. I think humans are too stupid, as a group, to be trusted to vote. We need to do something to limit the vote to the more intelligent and self-aware among them.

AKA "Only people who hold the same political views as I do should be allowed to vote."

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2018, 04:05:11 pm »
Told you. Offer people free stuff and they'll vote for you.

Free tax break, you kids will pay it back with tons of interest.

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2018, 04:11:17 pm »
Told you. Offer people free stuff and they'll vote for you. Ford should offer to give everyone a car. He'll win in a landslide.

I'm seriously reconsidering whether Democracy has any further usefulness. I think humans are too stupid, as a group, to be trusted to vote. We need to do something to limit the vote to the more intelligent and self-aware among them.

Maybe you should give Vladimir a call, I'm sure he can help you figure out how to do that. Better still, you could convince him to let you go to him and work within his system.

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2018, 05:57:20 pm »
I'm seriously reconsidering whether Democracy has any further usefulness. I think humans are too stupid, as a group, to be trusted to vote. We need to do something to limit the vote to the more intelligent and self-aware among them.

Don't despair.  I think things are going to get better soon.

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2018, 05:58:27 pm »
Lay off, SJ.  Even if you think Ford is 1/2 the DoFus that he is, no one can be excited by the prospect of a Wynne return.

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2018, 08:44:02 pm »
Told you. Offer people free stuff and they'll vote for you. Ford should offer to give everyone a car. He'll win in a landslide.

It could also be that letting Ford talk was a major strategic mistake.  Perhaps he should have just sat back and done the Herman Cain smile for the duration of the campaign.

... limit the vote to the more intelligent and self-aware among them.

Those would be the ones wanting tax cuts, right?

I'm having a hard time reconciling "intelligent and self-aware" with "FORD NAYSHUN!"   ...surely it wasn't the "intelligent and self-aware" who won the leadership race for Ford.

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Re: Ontario Provincial Election 2018
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2018, 12:06:17 pm »
Free tax break, you kids will pay it back with tons of interest.

Yeah, and people wonder how Greece got as bad as it is. "Couldn't they see this coming!?"

Ontario is up to almost $13 billion a year in interest payments. If we had that money we could do all this stuff and not borrow. But the higher our interest payments the less money available for programs. The debt ratings agencies are already making noises about lowering our rating AGAIN, which will increase borrowing costs, and interest rates are headed up. As debt service charges consume more and more of the budget government is left with the choice of either borrowing to meet current obligations or slash program spending. Given the increasingly spoiled Me Me Me nature of the electorate, cutting spending can be political suicide, so they just borrow more and hope the pile doesn't collapse until they're out of politics.

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2018, 12:10:50 pm »
It could also be that letting Ford talk was a major strategic mistake.  Perhaps he should have just sat back and done the Herman Cain smile for the duration of the campaign.

Could be but probably not. The NDP share went down not up, so the Liberals are taking votes from them as well as the Tories.

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Those would be the ones wanting tax cuts, right?

Ford was certainly not my choice, and I don't want a tax cut. I want capable, competent government, something we haven't seen in Ontario for 15 years. People can say Ford and his people won't bring that but maybe they will, and we know damn well Wynne and her cadre of corrupt, incompetent idiots won't.

I think Ford is a reactionary choice by people fed up with the preaching nanny state identity politics of Wynne and Trudeau. I don't expect great ideas out of Ford. I don't even require them. The premier doesn't run anything. The cabinet do. All he does is provide broad direction - ie, cut spending youse guys. And that's what I want. Ten percent of the population of Ontario are public sector workers. And they make way too much money because of cozy deals with the politicians.
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2018, 12:14:27 pm »
Given the increasingly spoiled Me Me Me nature of the electorate, cutting spending can be political suicide, so they just borrow more and hope the pile doesn't collapse until they're out of politics.

The "tax breaks!" people are no better than the "free stuff!" people in this regard.    Look at our Republican friends south of the border. For 8 years they were bitching about the national debt, but now that their guy is in the White House, they've implemented a massive unfunded tax cut for the corporations and the very wealthy that results in a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit... but they're no longer concerned about the size of the deficit.

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