Author Topic: Ontario Government of Doug Ford  (Read 9258 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5311
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #315 on: August 19, 2021, 10:24:23 pm »
MPP gets the boot after refusing to take the vaccine! 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rick-nicholls-mpp-vaccine-1.6146791
Quote
An Ontario legislator who was warned to get vaccinated against COVID-19 has been removed from the Progressive Conservative caucus after telling reporters he wouldn't take the shot.

In a statement Thursday, Premier Doug Ford said Chatham-Kent-Leamington MPP Rick Nichols "failed to provide a legitimate reason for exemption from vaccination.

"As a consequence, he is no longer a sitting member of the PC caucus and will not be permitted to seek re-election as a PC candidate," the statement said.



Start the howling about tyranny from conservatives. 

I canít help but say that this is a bit of a brave move by the Ford govít.

Offline cybercoma

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2955
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #316 on: August 20, 2021, 07:05:29 am »
Many COVID restrictions are against Charter rights.
They're not against Charter Rights because section 1 sets out what is considered valid:

1. Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

Protecting the public from a grave risk to their life and health in this case is demonstrably justified and therefore reasonable.

Canadian Rights are not nor have they ever been absolute rights. For that reason, the rules are not against the Charter at all. The correspond with the very first section.



Winner Winner x 1 View List

Offline Boges

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1279
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #317 on: August 25, 2021, 11:15:46 am »
MPP gets the boot after refusing to take the vaccine! 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rick-nicholls-mpp-vaccine-1.6146791

Start the howling about tyranny from conservatives. 

I canít help but say that this is a bit of a brave move by the Ford govít.

Who are the Anti-Vaxx crowd going to vote for?

This Liberal Leader is already demanding a Vaccine Passport.

Offline waldo

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6380
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #318 on: August 25, 2021, 12:20:27 pm »
the CPC locked-out Doug Ford from the last federal election... buried him soooo deep so as to not negatively impact upon the Scheer campaign. And now, DOFO is once again MIA! In 2019 Ford said he was, "too busy governing" to campaign for/with Scheer! ... and now Ford's office/spokespeople have been repeatedly asked if Ford will campaign with/for the CPC/O'Toole campaign; to which Fordís director of media relations, Ivana Yelich, finally responded:

Quote
The premier and our government are focused squarely on the pandemic and getting as many Ontarians vaccinated as possible. Our hope is that all levels of government continue working together to ensure the people of Ontario have the support they need as we continue our fight against COVID-19

so... I guess the CPC has the most unpopular Ford tucked snugly away! Oh my!

Offline Queefer Sutherland

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 8134
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #319 on: August 25, 2021, 06:29:23 pm »
They're not against Charter Rights because section 1 sets out what is considered valid:

1. Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

Protecting the public from a grave risk to their life and health in this case is demonstrably justified and therefore reasonable.

Canadian Rights are not nor have they ever been absolute rights. For that reason, the rules are not against the Charter at all. The correspond with the very first section.

I never said they were against the Charter, I said they were against our Charter rights.  The opt-out clause isn't a "right" under the charter, its a loophole.  As you say we have no guaranteed rights at all.  Its the only way Trudeau Sr. could have made the provinces sign off on it.  Quebec has gone around recently banning religious expression and free-speech/language rights for cultural reasons because it can.  "Here's all your rights, but if your province wants to it can override every single one of them".

I'm not even saying the government curtailing these rights is the wrong thing to do, most of the time it has been the right move during COVID, but don't pretend that they haven't curtailed people's charter rights just because the charter contains an opt-out clause on every single right they wrote down.

"Demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society" is an extremely vague and subjective phrase, on purpose.
I queef, therefore I am.
Like Like x 1 View List

Offline The Cynic

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 288
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #320 on: October 09, 2021, 05:24:40 pm »
I never said they were against the Charter, I said they were against our Charter rights.  The opt-out clause isn't a "right" under the charter, its a loophole.  As you say we have no guaranteed rights at all.  Its the only way Trudeau Sr. could have made the provinces sign off on it.  Quebec has gone around recently banning religious expression and free-speech/language rights for cultural reasons because it can.  "Here's all your rights, but if your province wants to it can override every single one of them".


Not all of them. The opt out clause can only be used with certain clauses.

And as Trump has demonstrated all you need do to render the entire constitution ineffective is to appoint loyal ideologues to the SC.

Offline Boges

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1279
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #321 on: January 19, 2022, 01:26:46 pm »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-election-2022-poll-abacus-doug-ford-1.6319116

Quote
Premier Doug Ford and his Progressive Conservatives have a comfortable lead over their Liberal and New Democrat rivals in a new poll of Ontario voters published Wednesday.

Polling conducted last week by Abacus Data finds 37 per cent of respondents supporting Ford and the Ontario PC Party, with 28 per cent favouring the Ontario Liberals under Steven Del Duca and 25 per cent backing Andrea Horwath's NDP.

"If you're the PCs and you're looking at this number right now, you're feeling pretty good, I think," said David Coletto, the CEO of Abacus Data, in an interview.

DoFo "listening" to scientists and implementing COVID restrictions elbows out the opposition in being critical of him.

His most vocal opposition is coming from the Right. And they have no where else to go.

Offline Based Shady

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 3899
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #322 on: January 19, 2022, 01:37:00 pm »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-election-2022-poll-abacus-doug-ford-1.6319116

DoFo "listening" to scientists and implementing COVID restrictions elbows out the opposition in being critical of him.

His most vocal opposition is coming from the Right. And they have no where else to go.
Pretty much.  I saw him on television a couple of days ago shoveling snow and helping people get their cars out of the snow.  My first thought was that heís going to have a heart attack.  My second was that heís a smart retail politician.

Offline MH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10781
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #323 on: January 20, 2022, 06:23:46 am »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-election-2022-poll-abacus-doug-ford-1.6319116

DoFo "listening" to scientists and implementing COVID restrictions elbows out the opposition in being critical of him.

His most vocal opposition is coming from the Right. And they have no where else to go.

The left doesn't like him either - and he's at 37% support which is near-majority territory.


Offline Boges

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1279
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #324 on: January 20, 2022, 07:42:07 am »
The left doesn't like him either - and he's at 37% support which is near-majority territory.

Yeah, but they're never going to like him.

He's edging the Liberals out of the middle with this COVID policy that's pissing off his base.

Offline MH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10781
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #325 on: January 20, 2022, 12:53:32 pm »
Yeah, but they're never going to like him.

He's edging the Liberals out of the middle with this COVID policy that's pissing off his base.

Well that makes sense I get - begrudging mushy middle voters and no-where-else-to-turn righties...

Strange coalition.

Offline Boges

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1279
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #326 on: January 20, 2022, 01:00:21 pm »
Well that makes sense I get - begrudging mushy middle voters and no-where-else-to-turn righties...

Strange coalition.

It's how Conservatives East of Manitoba and Federally get elected in this country.
Like Like x 1 View List

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5311
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #327 on: January 25, 2022, 11:27:40 am »
Doug Ford shovels snowÖ. Helps a small handful of people.  Makes sure media were there to see.

A normal premier would organize logistics and ensure the resources are available to help thousands. 

This guy really doesnít know how to do his jobÖ.  Hopefully Ontarians werenít fooled.

https://www.waterloochronicle.ca/opinion-story/10557422--welcome-to-campaign-season-ford-s-publicity-stunt-was-poorly-executed-yet-worked-almost-to-perfection/


Offline Based Shady

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 3899
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #328 on: January 25, 2022, 11:58:46 am »
Doug Ford shovels snowÖ. Helps a small handful of people.  Makes sure media were there to see.

A normal premier would organize logistics and ensure the resources are available to help thousands. 

This guy really doesnít know how to do his jobÖ.  Hopefully Ontarians werenít fooled.

https://www.waterloochronicle.ca/opinion-story/10557422--welcome-to-campaign-season-ford-s-publicity-stunt-was-poorly-executed-yet-worked-almost-to-perfection/
Yes because every province has the resources to have every street immediately plowed province wide!  Never mind that itís a municipal service. 

Offline Squidward von Squidderson

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5311
Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #329 on: January 25, 2022, 01:25:48 pm »
Yes because every province has the resources to have every street immediately plowed province wide!  Never mind that itís a municipal service.

Who said that every street needed to be cleared right away?

Where do you think a premier is more valuable during their day in an emergency situation:
A - shovelling out a car?
B - Organizing resources to ensure theyíre directed to where they need to go?