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« Reply #225 on: December 14, 2018, 07:54:01 pm »
I think I'll take the report from the PBO over yours. Thanks for trying though.

Nothing you quoted contradicts what I said.
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« Reply #226 on: December 14, 2018, 07:58:16 pm »
In point of fact 95% of my money comes from foreign sources. And I work on my computer. I could relocate to the Virgin Islands and continue working as I am (and have considered it)

And of course if you fell and broke your arm you'd jump on a plane to the VI to have it re-set? Right!
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« Reply #227 on: December 14, 2018, 08:04:07 pm »
Nothing you quoted contradicts what I said.

Some reading for you on the subject:

The PBO’s annual long-term fiscal sustainability report released Thursday says the Harper government’s decision to scale back the growth in Canada Health Transfer payments means provincial governments will increasingly struggle to afford health-care services for their citizens.

“Far from putting our fiscal house in order, this report shows how Conservative cuts to the Canada Health Transfer and Old Age Security are actually just downloaded these costs onto the provinces and individual Canadians.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/ottawas-overhaul-of-health-care-funding-has-left-enormous-fiscal-gap-for-provinces-pbo-warns

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #228 on: December 14, 2018, 08:10:46 pm »
I really don't think I did that.

Why the 'left' believes that armies of office workers and overstaffed service is good for the people is beyond me. They react that way because conservatives cut benefits from the poor when they come into office

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I don't see it that way.  They cut the poor because it's easy and doesn't cost them votes with their base is one explanation.  But I'm open to this ... Not sure why it goes that way.

To repeat. Chretien tackled the debt in large measure by slashing payments to the provinces for social welfare. That meant the provinces had to cut education, health care, and social welfare spending. The feds also cut services to the poor that they paid directly. I remember one particular program they cut was to subsidize wheelchairs for the poor.

Once you exclude pensions, and a variety of programs which can't really be seriously cut, there is a huge chunk of cash that goes to directly benefit people who get assistance due to poverty. You can't not cut that unless you're going to cut everything else even more heavily. I mean, the Chretien liberals cut the military, for example, but if they had held back on cutting social programs there' d have been NO military. Have a look at the pie chart here to see where the feds money goes to and tell me how you cut 30 or 40 billion dollars from that without hurting anyone.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tax-dollars-1.4545415

 
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I think that was Martin.  Martin restructured EI in a way that didn't cost votes and didn't destroy people.  It was hard on seasonal workers but it flew, politically.  Again, I'm open to looking at it ...

But in relative terms, budget officer Jean-Denis Frechette said that "middle-low income earner received the greatest financial benefit."
Since 2005, the government has cut personal income taxes by a single point — to 15% — and cut two points off the GST/HST. The moves have overall, been "progressive and made income distribution more just," Frechette said.


https://www.saultstar.com/2014/05/27/tory-tax-cuts-have-helped-balance-income-inequality-report/wcm/4b2a4a0e-adb4-4228-bbe4-65c385d2207c

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My point is not to criticize conservatives but liberals also.  Having managed projects for decades, I can tell you that anyone "in the know" can figure out a way to deliver more with less.  Liberal friends would kill me but Rob Ford was right: there is a gravy train.

There are all sorts of ways to save money but little incentive to do so. The massive red-tape in government, which I witnessed first hand, is primarily designed to ensure that none of the ex class can be blamed for anything that goes wrong. If that means spending ten bucks on oversight for a program that spends one buck - to make sure that one buck is spent in accordance with policy, and thus spare the higher ups any potential embarrassment, then they'll spend the ten bucks. That's why it takes months, if not years to get anything done - so everyone's butt is covered by the documented meetings, consultations, studies, reports and buy-ins.

Then too, every politician wants to make promises for new programs before an election. But no politician wants to remove programs. Because whenever you do someone will squeal and the press will cover it.
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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #229 on: December 14, 2018, 08:14:10 pm »
Some reading for you on the subject:

The PBO’s annual long-term fiscal sustainability report released Thursday says the Harper government’s decision to scale back the growth in Canada Health Transfer payments means provincial governments will increasingly struggle to afford health-care services for their citizens.

This is not what we were talking about. And the health increases were never designed to continue to rise by 6% annually forever. They were supposed to rise for a decade to make up for all the money the previous government had cut. Then after that they rose by 4.9% instead of 6%. As long as they continue to rise by high levels the provinces, like those idiots in Ontario, had no particular incentive to reign in their out of control spending.
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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #230 on: December 14, 2018, 08:22:02 pm »
Why the 'left' believes that armies of office workers and overstaffed service is good for the people is beyond me. They react that way because conservatives cut benefits from the poor when they come into office

"That you would lay the blame for the Left's fiscal mismanagement on conservatives 'cutting benefits to the poor' is laughably one-sided."

There is nothing in my statement that blames one side.  I explain why the left hates the budget cuts, that is all.  I also blame the left for supporting bloated bureaucracy.

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To repeat. Chretien tackled the debt in large measure by slashing payments to the provinces for social welfare. That meant the provinces had to cut education, health care, and social welfare spending. The feds also cut services to the poor that they paid directly. I remember one particular program they cut was to subsidize wheelchairs for the poor.

Ok.

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Once you exclude pensions, and a variety of programs which can't really be seriously cut, there is a huge chunk of cash that goes to directly benefit people who get assistance due to poverty. You can't not cut that unless you're going to cut everything else even more heavily. I mean, the Chretien liberals cut the military, for example, but if they had held back on cutting social programs there' d have been NO military. Have a look at the pie chart here to see where the feds money goes to and tell me how you cut 30 or 40 billion dollars from that without hurting anyone.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tax-dollars-1.4545415

I will look.

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But in relative terms, budget officer Jean-Denis Frechette said that "middle-low income earner received the greatest financial benefit."
Since 2005, the government has cut personal income taxes by a single point — to 15% — and cut two points off the GST/HST. The moves have overall, been "progressive and made income distribution more just," Frechette said.


https://www.saultstar.com/2014/05/27/tory-tax-cuts-have-helped-balance-income-inequality-report/wcm/4b2a4a0e-adb4-4228-bbe4-65c385d2207c

There are all sorts of ways to save money but little incentive to do so. The massive red-tape in government, which I witnessed first hand, is primarily designed to ensure that none of the ex class can be blamed for anything that goes wrong. If that means spending ten bucks on oversight for a program that spends one buck - to make sure that one buck is spent in accordance with policy, and thus spare the higher ups any potential embarrassment, then they'll spend the ten bucks. That's why it takes months, if not years to get anything done - so everyone's butt is covered by the documented meetings, consultations, studies, reports and buy-ins.

Then too, every politician wants to make promises for new programs before an election. But no politician wants to remove programs. Because whenever you do someone will squeal and the press will cover it.

The 2nd last paragraph is what I am talking about.  And how can there be little incentive ?  It seems to me to reflect a lack of imagination.

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« Reply #231 on: December 14, 2018, 08:23:15 pm »
This is not what we were talking about. And the health increases were never designed to continue to rise by 6% annually forever. They were supposed to rise for a decade to make up for all the money the previous government had cut. Then after that they rose by 4.9% instead of 6%. As long as they continue to rise by high levels the provinces, like those idiots in Ontario, had no particular incentive to reign in their out of control spending.

Well you seem to be able to try and ignore the fact that Canadians are getting older, retiring, and eventually will need health care. At the same time you don't want any damn fureners coming in to fill jobs we are leaving, so as revenues decline and costs go up, you better high tail it for the islands.

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #232 on: January 15, 2019, 12:14:33 am »
How many dick pics is too many dick pics?
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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #233 on: January 15, 2019, 05:38:07 am »
How many dick pics is too many dick pics?

That would be 'one', big shooter.

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #234 on: January 15, 2019, 12:49:14 pm »
How many dick pics is too many dick pics?

uhhh, "member" pinus, perhaps your prior approvals lacked threshold guidance


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« Reply #235 on: January 23, 2019, 02:07:54 am »
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4984766

DoFo hires 97 year old woman to be his advisor @ $150k/yr.
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« Reply #236 on: January 23, 2019, 02:10:32 am »
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« Reply #237 on: January 23, 2019, 02:14:51 am »
https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4984766

DoFo hires 97 year old woman to be his advisor @ $150k/yr.

She's something of a local legend, isn't she? I remember hearing about her.  I can't imagine she's got $150k/year worth of good advice, though.

By way of comparison the Mayor of Vancouver earns about $175k and Vancouver city councillors make $87k.

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« Reply #238 on: January 23, 2019, 07:23:30 am »
She's something of a local legend, isn't she? I remember hearing about her.  I can't imagine she's got $150k/year worth of good advice, though.

By way of comparison the Mayor of Vancouver earns about $175k and Vancouver city councillors make $87k.

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She was a very popular longtime mayor of Mississauga, ON.  She publicly endorsed Ford during the election, and i think did an ad featuring her voice to say so.  Pay back to a good friend.
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« Reply #239 on: January 23, 2019, 02:14:48 pm »
Pay back to a good friend.

The word is patronage.