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Offline Squidward von Squidderson

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« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2021, 12:32:03 pm »

1) none of the often-cited examples are highly transmittable and can kill another person for merely taking an elevator ride with the affected person.  Apples and oranges.

2) more importantly, if there was a free, readily-available vaccine which would reduce the harmful effects and the smoker, alcoholic, drunk driver refused to take it... yes, indeed, I believe they should also be refused medical care as well.

Smokers and fatties are also not filling up ICU beds and tying up doctors and nurses from helping other patients who need surgeries/emergent care.

I think it’s time to send them home…. They clearly didn’t care about modern medicine a week ago, so why should they now?  But first, let them walk through the crowd of anti-vaxx protestors outside the hospital…. That would probably disperse the crowd better than tear gas and rubber bullets! 
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« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2021, 03:11:48 pm »
Smokers and fatties are also not filling up ICU beds and tying up doctors and nurses from helping other patients who need surgeries/emergent care.
No to mention they tax smokers to help offset the costs of their particular brand of idiocy. Don't know how far along a fat tax is but it's probably due.

Easy for me to say of course because I've lost 25 lbs since Jan. Everyone loves a reformed fatso too. 😁
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« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2021, 04:20:12 pm »

1) none of the often-cited examples are highly transmittable and can kill another person for merely taking an elevator ride with the affected person.  Apples and oranges.

I get the point, but let people die though?  It's also affecting those with non-COVID emergencies who can't access care due to filled ICU's/hospitals.

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2) more importantly, if there was a free, readily-available vaccine which would reduce the harmful effects and the smoker, alcoholic, drunk driver refused to take it... yes, indeed, I believe they should also be refused medical care as well.

There is, it's called not smoking, not drinking, and not driving drunk.
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« Reply #63 on: September 23, 2021, 12:06:11 am »
There is, it's called not smoking, not drinking, and not driving drunk.
I know what you're saying but tthhhpppptt nonetheless.

I sure miss driving down Long Beach with a cold beer and a reefer.  I probably deserve crucifying for even remembering those days.
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« Reply #64 on: September 23, 2021, 12:30:32 am »
No to mention they tax smokers to help offset the costs of their particular brand of idiocy. Don't know how far along a fat tax is but it's probably due.

Easy for me to say of course because I've lost 25 lbs since Jan. Everyone loves a reformed fatso too. 😁

Congrats on the weight loss, that's lot!

I think you're on to something here.  Maybe the solution is a covidiot tax. 

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« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2021, 01:36:03 am »
So I was trying to quote an earlier post of mine where I said IDGAF about unvaccinated people dying and I accidentally deleted it. 

Anyway, I read a story today that melted even my cold covidiot-hating heart.  She was a 29 year old who had an organ transplant when she was little and was worried about the side effects of the vaccine because of it.  She had taken precautions and wasn't a covid denier, but somehow she got it anyway.  She was intubated on her 29th birthday and died a few days later. 

Shortly after I read about a 'covid party' in rural Alberta where people deliberately tried to contract covid and a few ended up in the hospital.  I chuckled, got mad, and then realized that in a way they're just as much victims of misinformation as the young woman who died for whom I did feel sorry.

I want to feel sympathy for them all equally.  They are all victims.  They're all going to be missed by someone who loved them. 

And yet, I am numb to most of them because I'm so angry at them.
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« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2021, 05:48:26 am »
Our democracy has started to dissolve, and our community too.

Alberta's Covid rate is about 8X Ontario's.

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« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2021, 09:16:43 am »
So I was trying to quote an earlier post of mine where I said IDGAF about unvaccinated people dying and I accidentally deleted it. 

Anyway, I read a story today that melted even my cold covidiot-hating heart.  She was a 29 year old who had an organ transplant when she was little and was worried about the side effects of the vaccine because of it.  She had taken precautions and wasn't a covid denier, but somehow she got it anyway.  She was intubated on her 29th birthday and died a few days later. 

Shortly after I read about a 'covid party' in rural Alberta where people deliberately tried to contract covid and a few ended up in the hospital.  I chuckled, got mad, and then realized that in a way they're just as much victims of misinformation as the young woman who died for whom I did feel sorry.

I want to feel sympathy for them all equally.  They are all victims.  They're all going to be missed by someone who loved them. 

And yet, I am numb to most of them because I'm so angry at them.

Yeah, both angry and sad about the anti-vax types.  My angry side says let them die, they knowingly took the risk.

But when I think about real people ending up in the hospital, sick, scared and dying, I'm very sad for them.  Gullibility shouldn't be a death sentence.

Sometimes I think spreading misinformation should be much more harshly dealt with, but at the same time I know that's not really an answer.  It would just drive those people underground, and make their ideas more attractive to a certain segment of the population.
Plus they're not wrong when they point out that experts make mistakes, or that the vaccine may have unintended side effects, but they ignore the reality that overall experts save lives while making our lives better.  The vaccine is our best option, even if it's not perfect, which is true for almost any choice we have in life.

But usually I just want to shake them, or slap them upside the head and hope they get a clue before they're dying in the hospital. 
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« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2021, 09:00:39 pm »
Our democracy has started to dissolve, and our community too.

Alberta's Covid rate is about 8X Ontario's.

Albertans got what they wanted after being told time and again, and are now reaping the results.  I believe Saskatchewan is similar.  Seems like democracy works.
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« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2021, 12:59:41 am »
Living next door to Alberta has really opened my eyes to the futility of healthcare as a provincial jurisdiction during a pandemic when the freedom of movement is a federal issue.  I sincerely think we need a federal state of emergency to suspend freedom of movement. 

Alternatively, let the feds make the calls on restrictions, but I think for provincial rights it makes more sense to suspend freedom of movement. 

Horgan says he 'tried' to do it but I have a hard time believing it.  We seem to love the dirty tourist money. 
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« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2021, 08:21:35 am »
Living next door to Alberta has really opened my eyes to the futility of healthcare as a provincial jurisdiction during a pandemic when the freedom of movement is a federal issue.  I sincerely think we need a federal state of emergency to suspend freedom of movement. 

Alternatively, let the feds make the calls on restrictions, but I think for provincial rights it makes more sense to suspend freedom of movement. 

Horgan says he 'tried' to do it but I have a hard time believing it.  We seem to love the dirty tourist money.

I don't understand this post.  Other provinces have enacted lockdowns and restrictions seemingly more successfully than Alberta.  Why more jurisdiction just because one provincial government failed ?

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« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2021, 01:09:49 pm »
I mean when there is an airborne pandemic floating around and each province has its own approach, it's futile when people have federal freedom of movement between provinces. 




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« Reply #72 on: October 08, 2021, 01:51:17 pm »
Living next door to Alberta has really opened my eyes to the futility of healthcare as a provincial jurisdiction during a pandemic when the freedom of movement is a federal issue.  I sincerely think we need a federal state of emergency to suspend freedom of movement. 

Alternatively, let the feds make the calls on restrictions, but I think for provincial rights it makes more sense to suspend freedom of movement. 

Horgan says he 'tried' to do it but I have a hard time believing it.  We seem to love the dirty tourist money.

We also can't assume Alberta-type thinking simply ends where the BC/Alberta border is marked on the map.  I see in the federal election results a lot of conservative seats in the east half of the BC.  Sounds like AB/SK spillover.

BC has some case problems, I assume it's due to these folks and AB travel.  We had provincial travel restrictions in our province, I thought provinces could do it, but i have no idea.
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« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2021, 03:53:06 pm »
BC has some case problems, I assume it's due to these folks and AB travel.  We had provincial travel restrictions in our province, I thought provinces could do it, but i have no idea.

Yes, BC has its share of idiots too (Okanagan, Fraser Valley) but at least our government has handled the pandemic mediocre compared to our neighbour government who tried to be the deep south of Canada claiming "Best Summer Ever!". 

Travel restrictions are difficult to enforce given freedom of movement which is a federal jurisdiction.  That's precisely my point. 


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« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2021, 04:20:15 pm »
I don't understand this post.  Other provinces have enacted lockdowns and restrictions seemingly more successfully than Alberta.  Why more jurisdiction just because one provincial government failed ?
I think there's just too much to leave to chance - the opportunity for a failure of catastrophic scale due to ideology and ignorance is just too great. I'd take it step farther than BC_cheque and place most decision making into the hands of experts for the duration of the emergency.