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« Reply #390 on: November 04, 2022, 08:42:28 pm »
If your concern is the children's right to learn, why don't you call on the government to go to arbitration?
There was no arbitration for people that had their rights trampled on during covid.  Why do teachers deserve arbitration?  Because of muh freedumb? 
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« Reply #391 on: November 04, 2022, 08:42:57 pm »
Why do they think their right to muh freedumb overrides a child’s right to learn?  Why are they so selfish?

Funny you get your knickers in a knot when Trudeau imposes the EMA to stop a protest that shut down downtown Ottawa for three weeks but when Ford imposes the NWC to deprive a group of the right to strike you are his cheer leader. 

Again, it is not the teachers who are striking. Educate yourself.
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« Reply #392 on: November 04, 2022, 08:55:19 pm »
Funny you get your knickers in a knot when Trudeau imposes the EMA to stop a protest that shut down downtown Ottawa for three weeks but when Ford imposes the NWC to deprive a group of the right to strike you are his cheer leader. 

Again, it is not the teachers who are striking. Educate yourself.
No, I’m making a point, that the same people that were perfectly fine with trampling people’s rights during covid are all of a sudden freedom fighters.  Well, f**k them.  They helped pave the way for the erosion of rights, so as far as I’m concerned, this is the chickens coming home to roost.  And if anything screams an emergency, it’s educating kids after two years of them falling completely behind, educationally and developmentally.
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« Reply #393 on: November 04, 2022, 08:56:59 pm »
There was no arbitration for people that had their rights trampled on during covid.  Why do teachers deserve arbitration?  Because of muh freedumb?
Because people were encouraged to try to stop a pandemic, workers should no longer be allowed to have arbitration? That's ridiculously illogical, even by your standards.

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« Reply #394 on: November 04, 2022, 08:59:06 pm »
The same people? I think this binary view you have of society is the root of your retardation.

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« Reply #395 on: November 04, 2022, 09:02:44 pm »
Because people were encouraged to try to stop a pandemic, workers should no longer be allowed to have arbitration? That's ridiculously illogical, even by your standards.
LOL, encouraged?  Encouraged?  No, forced and coerced.  How you like them chickens now? 😂
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« Reply #396 on: November 04, 2022, 09:03:58 pm »
The same people? I think this binary view you have of society is the root of your retardation.
Nope.  You and your ilk.  Helped pave the way for the erosion of rights and freedoms.  Now that the shoes on the other foot, it’s what about muh freedumb!!!!
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« Reply #397 on: November 04, 2022, 09:41:38 pm »
My ilk does not equal people who work for a living. I haven't had to do that for over 20 years.

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« Reply #398 on: November 04, 2022, 10:19:33 pm »
Did they go to school today? Nope. Is that the stability you said this would bring?

The support staff refused to follow the law ON passed with the notwithstanding clause that made the strike illegal.  This is getting very messy.
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« Reply #399 on: November 04, 2022, 10:25:44 pm »
There was no arbitration for people that had their rights trampled on during covid.  Why do teachers deserve arbitration?  Because of muh freedumb?

Using these extraordinary and rare powers like Ford and Trudeau have been using are setting very dangerous precedents.  IMO it's total BS.

If Trudeau used the notwithstanding clause on the truckers you'd be PO'd.

But you're right that the support workers are selfish.  They're asking for a 33% raise because of inflation but which won't go down after inflation drops, and using children's education as their leverage.  Ya no.
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« Reply #400 on: November 04, 2022, 10:29:18 pm »
No, I’m making a point, that the same people that were perfectly fine with trampling people’s rights during covid are all of a sudden freedom fighters.  Well, f**k them.  They helped pave the way for the erosion of rights, so as far as I’m concerned, this is the chickens coming home to roost.  And if anything screams an emergency, it’s educating kids after two years of them falling completely behind, educationally and developmentally.

You're right that the people angry at Ford but not at Trudeau for the emergencies act are total hypocrites and IMO tyrants.  If someone is ok with forcing this kind of legislation only when they agree with the ends then yeah you're a tyrant and a hypocrite.  It's pretty scary actually how quickly people will go authoritarian when they agree with the cause.
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« Reply #401 on: November 04, 2022, 10:34:51 pm »
Because people were encouraged to try to stop a pandemic, workers should no longer be allowed to have arbitration? That's ridiculously illogical, even by your standards.

Arbitration is a voluntary process both parties agree to in order for a 3rd party to settle a dispute.  Education workers have no right to force their employer into arbitration.
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« Reply #402 on: November 04, 2022, 10:39:48 pm »
“This is something all Canadians who value the freedoms, the rights, the opportunities that Canada gives them and gives us all, should be standing up to be very concerned about,” Trudeau told reporters during a news conference in North York, Ont.  “And yes, this is the federal government that stands up for people’s rights and freedoms and we are absolutely looking at all different options.”

HAHAHAAHAHA

https://globalnews.ca/news/9253789/trudeau-notwithstanding-clause-cupe-ontario-strike/
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« Reply #403 on: November 04, 2022, 10:50:05 pm »
We are having an inquiry as to whether using the EMA was warranted. We should do the same any time the Notwithstanding Clause is used.
Only five provinces and one territory have ever used the notwithstanding clause, all the rest have managed to solve their problems without it.
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« Reply #404 on: November 04, 2022, 11:19:41 pm »
You're right that the people angry at Ford but not at Trudeau for the emergencies act are total hypocrites and IMO tyrants.  If someone is ok with forcing this kind of legislation only when they agree with the ends then yeah you're a tyrant and a hypocrite.  It's pretty scary actually how quickly people will go authoritarian when they agree with the cause.

Hey quick question what about the people soiling their draws over the emergency act and laughing about Ford using the notwithstanding clause where do they fit on your spectrum of tyrants and hypocrites?

Personally I think only an insane person would draw an equivalence between the treatment of ding dongs terrorizing the nation’s capital and blocking important border crossings with workers seeking negotiations but then I’m not a centrist.
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