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Offline cybercoma

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #255 on: March 13, 2019, 12:11:21 pm »
Not failing kids isn't something the PCs decided was a good idea AFAIK.
Not failing kids wasn't a government policy at all. It was a shift in pedagogy based on research in education and child development.

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« Reply #256 on: March 15, 2019, 03:03:24 pm »
Doug Ford’s gov’t announces funding for in-class help for artistic kids.  They will receive “per pupil” funding of $12,300...   

This is the exact amount of current per pupil funding that schools get now.   So the Ford gov’t just announced that autistic kids will receive the same funding at school as kids without autism. 

Wow....   talk about trying to pull the wool over people's eyes!

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEDufjqwGpIt6S2tjlpZgTW8qFggEKg4IACoGCAowqKNmMKjdCjDGlx0?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen
But here's the thing: This was not new money.

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The $12,300 figure was projected back in August as the average per-pupil funding available for the 2018-2019 school year. This is up only slightly from the previous year, when the per-pupil figure was $12,100. But the increase had already happened — Thompson's "announcement" was an announcement of the status quo. The same funds.

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« Reply #257 on: March 28, 2019, 03:18:45 pm »
This is the type of populist gold that'll get DoFo re-elect.

https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/ontario-to-expand-beer-wine-to-corner-stores-finance-minister-says

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TORONTO — Ontario’s finance minister says the province will move ahead with an expansion of beer and wine sales into corner stores, big box stores, and more grocery stores.

Vic Fedeli says the Progressive Conservative government will make good on a pledge made during last spring’s election to offer consumers more choice when it comes to where they can purchase booze.

He gave no timeline for the move but said it will drive down prices on beer and wine and ensure that the government does not need to privatize assets to increase availability of products.

The Tories have previously said they are not planning to privatize Liquor Control Board of Ontario stores despite receiving a report last fall that recommended consideration of the sale of some government assets.

Fedeli says Ontario currently has the lowest density of retail outlets selling beer, wine, cider and spirits in Canada, with less than 3,000 outlets selling alcohol compared to Quebec’s approximately 8,000.

Treat us like adults!

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #258 on: March 28, 2019, 03:33:40 pm »
This is the type of populist gold that'll get DoFo re-elect.

https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/ontario-to-expand-beer-wine-to-corner-stores-finance-minister-says

Treat us like adults!

You would cut off your nose to spite your face....     autistic kids?  Fuck’em!  Beer in corner stores?  Vote DoFo!!

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« Reply #259 on: March 28, 2019, 04:09:51 pm »
You would cut off your nose to spite your face....     autistic kids?  Fuck’em!  Beer in corner stores?  Vote DoFo!!

Ford gov reduced max funding for each child, but there were 8400 kids under the program with a 23,000 waitlist.  So they're giving less to each parent, but trying to make sure every child is funded by the program.  Who knows if that will work.

Parents who currently receive funding are rightfully upset.  Parents with kids on the waitlist might be happier, but i guess most parents want the full funding given to every child.  Total funding isn't being reduced, apparently, from what the gov has said.
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« Reply #260 on: March 28, 2019, 06:05:31 pm »
Ford gov reduced max funding for each child, but there were 8400 kids under the program with a 23,000 waitlist.  So they're giving less to each parent, but trying to make sure every child is funded by the program.  Who knows if that will work.
This is the illustration how finite government resources cannot possibly satisfy everyone. Wynne set up a system that simply rationed access leaving most without any funding at all and she was lauded for it. Ford tries share those finite resources more broadly and is castigated.

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« Reply #261 on: March 28, 2019, 08:22:07 pm »
This is the illustration how finite government resources cannot possibly satisfy everyone. Wynne set up a system that simply rationed access leaving most without any funding at all and she was lauded for it. Ford tries share those finite resources more broadly and is castigated.

From what I have read that sounds right but the optics are bad, ie. the overall cut is what people are focussing on.

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« Reply #262 on: March 28, 2019, 09:29:00 pm »
From what I have read that sounds right but the optics are bad, ie. the overall cut is what people are focussing on.

What was the overall cut?  I haven't read that.  Link?
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« Reply #263 on: March 28, 2019, 09:38:32 pm »
This is the illustration how finite government resources cannot possibly satisfy everyone. Wynne set up a system that simply rationed access leaving most without any funding at all and she was lauded for it. Ford tries share those finite resources more broadly and is castigated.

There was some uproar when the Wynne gov changed the program a few years ago, wouldn't call it a lauded program with 23,000 kids on a waitlist.

It sounds like funding for autism and mental health in ON is a joke.  If you're going to have universal healthcare you better be ready to fund it, and not piss a provinces money away via dumb hydro decisions etc.
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« Reply #264 on: March 29, 2019, 05:45:03 am »
What was the overall cut?  I haven't read that.  Link?

I have lots of links that say "Ford government autism cuts" BUT nothing that talks about the overall funding.

Is this a case of the details being washed out by an emotional reaction then ?

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« Reply #265 on: March 29, 2019, 07:58:45 am »
The Autism file really can't be used as a partisan cudgel as the Liberals couldn't satisfy Autism parents either.

It's kind of like the teachers. They've picked fights with every government of every stripe.

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« Reply #266 on: April 12, 2019, 09:34:09 pm »
ON budget is out.  Surprisingly no major cuts.  Ford gov is actually spending more than any other gov in ON history, 4 billion more in budget spending than the last Wynne Liberal budget.  The budget says reductions will come every year after this for the next few years to eventually balance the budget around 2022-2023.

Some odd cuts, like in the ministries of education and indigenous affairs, some odd alcohol and license plate policies etc, but not as bad as I and others feared.
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« Reply #267 on: April 13, 2019, 01:07:45 pm »
ON budget is out.  Surprisingly no major cuts.  Ford gov is actually spending more than any other gov in ON history, 4 billion more in budget spending than the last Wynne Liberal budget.  The budget says reductions will come every year after this for the next few years to eventually balance the budget around 2022-2023.

Some odd cuts, like in the ministries of education and indigenous affairs, some odd alcohol and license plate policies etc, but not as bad as I and others feared.

Didn’t you used to think that debt and deficits were a bad thing? 

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« Reply #268 on: April 15, 2019, 04:56:36 pm »
Sounds like a Trump budget, rail at deficits during an election then increase it when elected. Also similar to a Trudeau budget. We’re screwed.
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« Reply #269 on: April 17, 2019, 01:08:56 pm »
The Autism file really can't be used as a partisan cudgel as the Liberals couldn't satisfy Autism parents either.

It's kind of like the teachers. They've picked fights with every government of every stripe.

It's like TimG said, there's finite resources and not enough money to satisfy everyone, whether healthcare or education.

The Liberals had severely bungled the coffers of the province due to their energy mismanagement the last ~15 years, which has made things much worse.  And nobody wants to raise taxes to pay for these wanted services.  So here we are, in a big mess of doo-doo.

The alcohol policies of Ford are just dumb distractions from a guy who likes to sit around in his backyard in his wife-beater drinking brewsky, they don't cost the province any money.  The Ford brothers are obsessed with getting high  :D
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