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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Ontario Government of Doug Ford
« Reply #105 on: September 16, 2018, 04:10:27 pm »
Noted that 'the left' means the NDP now.  So if Marxist professors don't like the xenophobic policies of Quebec, we can still say leftists do like them.

And if Charlottesville fascists kill people, they're not conservatives... Trump isn't one... Bill Davis isn't one...

Damn it we should just all ask you to define everything, it's much easier.  :D


Maybe you should look into what conservatism is if you're confused about why I describe people who hold NONE of its beliefs as theirs as not being conservative.

If I call myself a Socialist will you accept me as one even if I ignore all socialist beliefs and values and espouse conservative ones instead?
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« Reply #106 on: September 16, 2018, 04:46:51 pm »
The federal government can disallow any act of a provincial parliament.

Where do you get that from? There is not a hierarchy of governments, in fact Confederation is an agreement by the provinces to cooperate; if anything the federal government is beholding to them.The practical side is we have a division of powers and responsibilities, some items are federal and others are provincial. The City of Toronto act and the Municipal act are 100% provincial.

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« Reply #107 on: September 16, 2018, 04:47:53 pm »
As long as what they do gets forgiven by the electorate, yeah. Pretty much. That's how parliamentary democracy works.

No it's not.  Some of Harper dumbest laws were rejected by the courts, thankfully.  Imagine how you'd feel if Wynne or Trudeau used the clause to ram through every wackjob idea she had.

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No. The judiciary is supposed to analyse laws and determine if they meet a constitutional test, when challenged. I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is judges saying "Well, I don't like this law, so let's see, how can I justify overturning it somehow... Hmm. I'll say it's against people's freedom of expression!"

Yes there's judges out there that suck, that are horribly ideological, that make bad rulings.  That's why there's an appeal process.  That's why Ford can take this all the way to the SCC, and that's why the SCC isn't made up of just 1 or 3 or 5 judges.

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« Reply #108 on: September 16, 2018, 05:00:19 pm »
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The federal government can disallow any act of a provincial parliament.

Cite.

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« Reply #109 on: September 16, 2018, 05:20:59 pm »
Cite.

There was some mention of this power, and Trudeau enacting it but it was also described as a 'Dead Letter' power.

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« Reply #110 on: September 16, 2018, 06:07:14 pm »
There was some mention of this power, and Trudeau enacting it but it was also described as a 'Dead Letter' power.

That’s not a cite.
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« Reply #111 on: September 16, 2018, 06:35:17 pm »
Republican Party president = Republican party elected president = president is a Republican

But he's not a conservative either, as pointed out by conservatives themselves.
Semantic nonsense. He's the president holding the banner of the conservative party. He's a conservative. Anyone saying otherwise is merely trying to distance themselves from the disaster they've created.

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« Reply #112 on: September 16, 2018, 06:37:14 pm »
There was some mention of this power, and Trudeau enacting it but it was also described as a 'Dead Letter' power.
There is a very clear division of powers and you can read about them any time you want. Any suggestion otherwise is complete nonsense.

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« Reply #113 on: September 16, 2018, 06:53:37 pm »
Where do you get that from? There is not a hierarchy of governments, in fact Confederation is an agreement by the provinces to cooperate; if anything the federal government is beholding to them.The practical side is we have a division of powers and responsibilities, some items are federal and others are provincial. The City of Toronto act and the Municipal act are 100% provincial.

But Ottawa has another weapon at its disposal — one just as blunt, and politically explosive, as the notwithstanding clause.

Under the Constitution, the federal cabinet can disallow any act of a provincial legislature. Ottawa could, in other words, simply disallow Ford's council-chopping legislation — notwithstanding his use of the notwithstanding clause.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ford-trudeau-toronto-notwithstanding-1.4819172
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« Reply #114 on: September 16, 2018, 06:56:42 pm »
No it's not.  Some of Harper dumbest laws were rejected by the courts, thankfully.

Care to name them and what you didn't like about them? Was it the three year minimum for those who use an illegal firearm in the commission of an act of violence? The mandatory one year in prison for illegal possession of a firearm? What are you thankful for, Coonlight?

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Imagine how you'd feel if Wynne or Trudeau used the clause to ram through every wackjob idea she had.

If it was about the number of city councilors I probably wouldn't give a ****.

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Yes there's judges out there that suck, that are horribly ideological, that make bad rulings.  That's why there's an appeal process.

As far as I'm concerned the SC have shown themselves to be horribly ideological.
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« Reply #115 on: September 16, 2018, 07:02:50 pm »
Semantic nonsense. He's the president holding the banner of the conservative party. He's a conservative. Anyone saying otherwise is merely trying to distance themselves from the disaster they've created.

He's a populist demagogue whose life has been largely an open book for seventy years. Never in that life has he ever espoused conservative views. Quite the contrary for the most part. He's been a lifelong hedonist and adulterer who reveled in broadcasting his sexual deeds/misdeeds and openly supported all the usual liberal social policies. His government's only accomplishment has been a big tax cut which will hugely increase the deficit. Mitch McConnell once said Trump would sign anything congress puts in front of him, and there's no evidence Trump has even contributed to anything his government has done so far other than his ranting about the need for trade tariffs - which conservatives have always opposed.

I don't think Trump even knows a thing about any political ideology. He just likes people cheering him, and that's all he's in this for. Well, along with the feeling of being a big man who can bully people.

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« Reply #116 on: September 16, 2018, 07:20:05 pm »
But Ottawa has another weapon at its disposal — one just as blunt, and politically explosive, as the notwithstanding clause.

Under the Constitution, the federal cabinet can disallow any act of a provincial legislature. Ottawa could, in other words, simply disallow Ford's council-chopping legislation — notwithstanding his use of the notwithstanding clause.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ford-trudeau-toronto-notwithstanding-1.4819172

Did you notice your post seems to be rather critical of your buddy Doug? In any case, if that has to be done, what a waste of government time/money to have to strike down an act which is total overreach to simply restore citizens right to have their say through the ballot box. Doesn't seem unlike something Trump might think to try. 

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« Reply #117 on: September 16, 2018, 08:11:22 pm »
So does anyone know what clause the CBC article is referencing?

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« Reply #118 on: September 16, 2018, 08:28:22 pm »
So does anyone know what clause the CBC article is referencing?

It would not be in the new constitution, but the old one.

In Canadian constitutional law, the powers of reservation and disallowance of both federal and provincial legislation still formally remain in place and are described in Sections 55 and 56 of the Constitution Act, 1867, which until 1982 was known as the British North America Act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disallowance_and_reservation#In_Canada
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« Reply #119 on: September 17, 2018, 06:44:52 am »
It would not be in the new constitution, but the old one.

In Canadian constitutional law, the powers of reservation and disallowance of both federal and provincial legislation still formally remain in place and are described in Sections 55 and 56 of the Constitution Act, 1867, which until 1982 was known as the British North America Act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disallowance_and_reservation#In_Canada

Yes, thank you for finding that.  That's why it hasn't been tested.