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Offline Gorgeous Graham

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #180 on: March 28, 2018, 11:14:54 pm »
I completely understand that the prevailing mood in Ontario is dissatisfaction with Wynne and her government.

It just pains me that the beneficiary of this mood is a clown like Doug Ford.

It's almost like people in Ontario are purposefully trying be governed by the most brain-dead people.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #181 on: March 29, 2018, 08:13:46 am »
It's almost like people in Ontario are purposefully trying be governed by the most brain-dead people.

Considering who our PM is, that's not unique to Ontario.

Also a populist backlash is not unique to North America either.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #182 on: March 29, 2018, 01:31:40 pm »
I completely understand that the prevailing mood in Ontario is dissatisfaction with Wynne and her government.

It just pains me that the beneficiary of this mood is a clown like Doug Ford.

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He's going to cut taxes though! He's like the Oprah of Ontario. YOU GET A TAX CUT! AND YOU GET A TAX CUT! AND YOU GET A TAX CUT! EVERYBODY GETS A TAX CUT!

Sounds great until you realize that the provincial government runs the hospitals, paves the roads, runs a provincial police force, runs the schools, licenses bars/shops, maintains jails, runs courts, and has a staff to administer all of these functions.

But sure. LET'S ALL GET TAX CUTS!
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #183 on: March 29, 2018, 02:46:30 pm »
Crooked Kathleen - you know who you are beginning to sound like

First, I didn't say that. I said her government is crooked. Given the number of economic scandals and the way her own auditor general is threatening to refuse to endorse their books because of the financial manipulation that's going on the term seems appropriate.

Are you aware the Ontario AG threatened, just the other day, to issue an "adverse opinion" on the province's financial statements? No AG in the history of confederation has ever issued such a statement against a provincial or federal government. It basically means the books cannot be relied on to be truthful because the numbers have been manipulated too heavily.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #184 on: March 29, 2018, 03:04:31 pm »
He's going to cut taxes though! He's like the Oprah of Ontario. YOU GET A TAX CUT! AND YOU GET A TAX CUT! AND YOU GET A TAX CUT! EVERYBODY GETS A TAX CUT!

Sounds great until you realize that the provincial government runs the hospitals, paves the roads, runs a provincial police force, runs the schools, licenses bars/shops, maintains jails, runs courts, and has a staff to administer all of these functions.

But sure. LET'S ALL GET TAX CUTS!

The Ontario Liberals have increased taxes steadily for fifteen years, and increased spending even more, to more than double the debt.
Few in Ontario can honestly say this has led in any way to an improvement in society or in government services. It has instead led to the most highly paid government employees in the world. Just over 10% of the province's population is now a public sector employee. And of those, roughly 10% make over $100,000 a year, with generous benefits and pensions. It's an untenable situation.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #185 on: March 29, 2018, 03:06:14 pm »
Are you aware the Ontario AG threatened, just the other day, to issue an "adverse opinion" on the province's financial statements?

I am aware that Bonnie Lysyk has a disagreement specifically with the IESO and KPMG. Yes if she issues an adverse opinion it would be first in Canadian history. All the rest is posturing.

b.t.w. I raised the exact same issue she is in 2008 when Flaherty and Harper gave the banks $120 billion without properly accounting for it. The whole issue is covering a debt with an asset, like banks do every single day.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #186 on: March 29, 2018, 03:10:15 pm »
I am aware that Bonnie Lysyk has a disagreement specifically with the IESO and KPMG. Yes if she issues an adverse opinion it would be first in Canadian history. All the rest is posturing.

You talk like IESO is some sort of foreign agency rather than run by the Liberal party of Ontario. Anything they're doing to hide the amount of debt on Ontario's books is done on the orders of Kathleen Wynne's government. And KPMG are hirelings. If these two organizations are lying to her and refusing to provide information it's because Wynne told them to. Nor is her problem just over how she's hiding electrical system debt.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #187 on: March 29, 2018, 03:14:57 pm »
If these two organizations are lying to her and refusing to provide information it's because Wynne told them to.

Wow, hiding information. Did you come up with that all by yourself? The disagreement Lysyk has with the IESO has been going on for a long time, and it is not about hiding information. It is about how things are reported.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #188 on: March 29, 2018, 07:15:59 pm »
Wow, hiding information. Did you come up with that all by yourself? The disagreement Lysyk has with the IESO has been going on for a long time, and it is not about hiding information. It is about how things are reported.

Your continued defense of the Wynne regime is pathetic.

Her concerns included incorrect accounting, deceptive and obstructive behaviour by the IESO’s board and management, and poor financial controls.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-auditor-general-blasts-bogus-hydro-accounting-strategies-in-ontario/
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #189 on: March 30, 2018, 08:47:01 am »
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-credit-rating-agencies-warn-ontario-about-planned-spending/

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Two credit-rating agencies have issued warnings to the Ontario government over its plan to run deficits over the next several years.

On Thursday, both Moody’s Investor Service and DBRS said the fiscal plan set out by the Liberal government in its 2018-19 budget, which includes billions in new spending, would harm the province’s credit profile over the long term.

“It demonstrates in the clearest terms that the province is not committed to disciplined … fiscal policy,” DBRS analysts said in a report.

Both agencies stopped short of downgrading Ontario’s debt, but stressed that the province’s creditworthiness could come under pressure as a result of abandoning its commitment to balanced budgets

You have to have a very low ethical fiber if you're so desperate to keep your job that your plan is to manipulate the budget so you can say you have a balanced budget in an election year and then spend into oblivion the already most indebted sub-sovereign government on the planet in order to try to bribe today's voters with their children's & grandchildren's money.  The people who vote for this deserve similar contempt.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #190 on: March 30, 2018, 12:36:35 pm »
He's going to cut taxes though! He's like the Oprah of Ontario. YOU GET A TAX CUT! AND YOU GET A TAX CUT! AND YOU GET A TAX CUT! EVERYBODY GETS A TAX CUT!

Sounds great until you realize that the provincial government runs the hospitals, paves the roads, runs a provincial police force, runs the schools, licenses bars/shops, maintains jails, runs courts, and has a staff to administer all of these functions.

But sure. LET'S ALL GET TAX CUTS!


But Doug Ford will pay for the tax cuts by defunding the CBC!   Should be an easy promise to deliver, since the Ontario government provides $0 in funding for the CBC.


I feel like there should be a "dumb-guy politics" bingo card full of phrases we can check off whenever Ford opens his mouth.

"Cut red tape!"  check
"Tax cuts!"  check
"Defund the CBC!" check

I expect that "foreigners took our jobs!" and "negotiate better deals!" are coming soon.


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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #191 on: March 30, 2018, 12:53:53 pm »
I feel like there should be a "dumb-guy politics" bingo card full of phrases we can check off whenever Ford opens his mouth.

 “drive efficiencies” - check

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #192 on: April 06, 2018, 09:47:45 am »
As opposed to the Liberals who will continue deficit spending well into the next decade. And in a time of relatively good economic production.

I'm pretty deflated that the PCs named DoFo their leader, but there's nothing that can convince me that the Ontario Liberals deserve another mandate. NOTHING!

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #193 on: April 07, 2018, 03:30:06 am »
As opposed to the Liberals who will continue deficit spending well into the next decade. And in a time of relatively good economic production.

I'm pretty deflated that the PCs named DoFo their leader, but there's nothing that can convince me that the Ontario Liberals deserve another mandate. NOTHING!

That’s called cutting your nose to spite your face.  DoFo will clearly be even worse.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #194 on: April 07, 2018, 07:44:14 am »

But Doug Ford will pay for the tax cuts by defunding the CBC!   Should be an easy promise to deliver, since the Ontario government provides $0 in funding for the CBC.

 

From what I read that was an intentional misquote, ie. fake news.

Yes I fell for it.   >:(
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