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Offline Michael Hardner

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #105 on: March 11, 2018, 08:24:38 am »
Note that Clinton's approach of shaming the electorate will not work and if Wynne has any mojo at all she will not go there.  She already has the moral leftist vote.

She needs to (believe it or not) tout economic factors, such as low unemployment, stability, ability to keep free trade going.  She needs to outright LIE about her record to scare off moderates for voting for him.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #106 on: March 11, 2018, 08:56:56 am »
Note that Clinton's approach of shaming the electorate will not work

So you are saying that Ontario has as many shameless deplorables as the US?

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #107 on: March 11, 2018, 09:02:39 am »
So you are saying that Ontario has as many shameless deplorables as the US?

We have a 'public'.  Calling them names isn't a great strategy.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #108 on: March 11, 2018, 09:07:54 am »
We have a 'public'.  Calling them names isn't a great strategy.

So far we don't have a public expressing their view, only 60+ thousand party members.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #109 on: March 11, 2018, 09:32:04 am »
So far we don't have a public expressing their view, only 60+ thousand party members.

That IS a public, however your point is taken: they can see how DoFo flies with the wider public first.  I suspect he will poll well, and at that point hectoring average people for choosing him comes off badly as we have seen.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #110 on: March 11, 2018, 10:36:06 am »
So for those of us outside Ontario, it seems like the Fords are basically just fatter, dumber, less wealthy versions of Trump. Is that a fair comparison?

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #111 on: March 11, 2018, 10:50:09 am »
Trump is the follower here. Rob Ford led the way for going through [political] life as fat, drunk, and stupid*.

*ref: Dean Wormer.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #112 on: March 11, 2018, 10:58:25 am »
Trump is the follower here. Rob Ford led the way for going through [political] life as fat, drunk, and stupid*.

*ref: Dean Wormer.

My friend knew that guy - a great Canadian actor John Vernon.  In 'Face-Off' (Canadian version) he played a demented psycho Leafs coach, no fooling.
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Offline SirJohn

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #113 on: March 11, 2018, 11:34:15 am »
So for those of us outside Ontario, it seems like the Fords are basically just fatter, dumber, less wealthy versions of Trump. Is that a fair comparison?

 -k

Not entirely. Ford seems a little brighter and less petulant than Trump and less given to bragging, is much less of a narcissist, and doesn't seem interested in inciting or exploiting racial divisions. And his populism seems a lot more real than Trump's. Ford says what's on his mind and doesn't dance around questions. I don't think Trump believes in half the **** he says, and when he talks about his concern for 'regular people' that's so much bullshit since he doesn't even know any regular people (nor wants to). Ford's concern is much more real. He actually IS a guy who would be happy sitting down at some backhole tavern, having a beer and shooting the **** with truckers or construction guys.

But he's also kinda dumb, doesn't know much about government, speaks in broad populist terms, is thin skinned and short tempered. The fact he doesn't run everything he says through a team of spin-doctors makes him more real, but it also leaves him open to shoving both feet into his mouth. He is NOT an idea guy. The ideas will have to come from somewhere else.

Then again, I don't think Wynne and McGuinty ever had an idea on their own either, and botched just about every freaking file from highways and bridges to health care, the environment, electricity and business. And they reek of corruption and that puerile smug progressive elitism that looks down on everyone else.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #114 on: March 11, 2018, 11:40:09 am »
It seems like all these guys are just playing a character based on Ralph Klein.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #115 on: March 11, 2018, 10:43:05 pm »
Get ready for another Liberal term Ontario....   The PC Party members really blew this one. 

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #116 on: March 11, 2018, 10:55:52 pm »
Get ready for another Liberal term Ontario....   The PC Party members really blew this one.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #117 on: March 11, 2018, 11:23:42 pm »
This is the best the PC party could find for itself?  Doug freaking Ford?  Watching the debate, he didn't seem to much about anything, pretty vague opinions on policy.  I don't understand the appeal of the Fords.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #118 on: March 12, 2018, 07:18:20 am »
Ford will win seats in Toronto that other PC candidates probably couldn't have brought home.

Liberals will have to come up with actual concrete critiques of Ford. He's not a drug addict like his brother was. He's also not a racist.

Sure he's brash. But perhaps he'll bring the far right of the party and the more moderate wing, that can't seem to win leadership contests together.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #119 on: March 12, 2018, 09:22:17 am »
The Liberals will lose if they focus their criticisms on Ford himself. Mark my words. They will need to criticize PC policy and not get into a pissing match about whomtheir leader is.