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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #75 on: February 28, 2018, 03:33:24 pm »
2 years a drama teacher?

Ah yes, the old drama teacher argument. I guess when you have nothing, you have nothing.

At least you are aware that Mulroney has almost zero political experience. I think she is highly qualified to serve as an MPP and in a few years she may be a great candidate for leader. I am pointing out reality, you are pointing out nothing.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #76 on: February 28, 2018, 03:37:10 pm »
Ah yes, the old drama teacher argument. I guess when you have nothing, you have nothing.


Which was exactly what his qualifications were to be leader.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #77 on: February 28, 2018, 03:47:12 pm »
Which was exactly what his qualifications were to be leader.

When you are on a roundabout, eventually you need to take an exit.

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« Reply #78 on: February 28, 2018, 04:28:39 pm »
I saw an article saying Mulroney has raised 700k and ass-u-me'd she had a good shot. But new polling only has her at 20%.

Seems this is Dofo v Elliot.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #79 on: February 28, 2018, 05:49:12 pm »
Please post this depressing new poll you speak of :(

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« Reply #80 on: February 28, 2018, 07:27:50 pm »
Anyone who would tout Harper as a good candidate a the time because of his experience and slag Trudeau is a complete hypocrite.
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« Reply #81 on: February 28, 2018, 08:26:11 pm »
Anyone who would tout Harper as a good candidate a the time because of his experience and slag Trudeau is a complete hypocrite.

Of course. He was handed a job in the mailroom for an oil company in Calgary. That's supposed to be a better qualification than being a teacher?

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #82 on: March 01, 2018, 08:14:13 am »
Please post this depressing new poll you speak of :(

https://globalnews.ca/news/4052336/doug-ford-christine-elliott-poll/


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Toronto businessman and former city councillor Doug Ford would have a slim lead over Christine Elliott for the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party leadership if the election were held today, according to a poll provided to Global News.

The Mainstreet Research poll was conducted between Feb. 21 and 26 among a sample of 17,399 Ontario PC party members. They were asked to rank their top three choices for party leader. The survey found that 36.7 per cent of decided voters would support Ford.

This poll apparently actually had Patrick Brown with a slim lead. But he's not in the race, so we don't know where his support will go.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #83 on: March 01, 2018, 09:01:26 am »
Of course. He was handed a job in the mailroom for an oil company in Calgary. That's supposed to be a better qualification than being a teacher?

Harper was also a robot.  He probably had the knowledge of the entire internet and wikipedia inside his hard drive. Too bad he was programmed to be a bit of a douche, then caught a super-douche virus somewhere along the line.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #84 on: March 01, 2018, 09:22:22 am »
It's not an important element because blacks are killed at a much higher rates than whites.  Bringing up raw numbers confuses the issue and makes it seem relevant when it's not.

What stats are you using?  Blacks in the US commit about 50% of crime and violent crime, but make up only 13% of the population.  The large majority of that is by men, so 6% of the pop commits about 40+% of all violent crime.  Yet blacks account for only about 26-28% of police shooting victims, whites about 50-55%.

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In fact, as of July 9, whites were 54 percent of the 440 police shooting victims this year whose race was known, blacks were 28 percent and Hispanics were 18 percent, according to The Washington Post’s ongoing database of fatal police shootings. Those ratios are similar to last year’s tally, in which whites made up 50 percent of the 987 fatal police shootings, and blacks, 26 percent. (The vast majority of those police homicide victims were armed or otherwise threatening the officer.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/07/18/police-shootings-and-race/?utm_term=.557f44049778

Yes on occasion a crappy officer makes a bad decisions and even racist ones, but the narratives not based on facts need to stop, and the elephant in the room needs to be addressed:

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In America’s 75 largest counties, comprising most of the nation’s population, blacks constituted 62 percent of all robbery defendants in 2009, 57 percent of all murder defendants, and 45 percent of all assault defendants — but roughly 15 percent of the population in those counties. In New York, where blacks make up 23 percent of the city’s population, blacks commit three-quarters of all shootings and 70 percent of all robberies, according to victims and witnesses. (Whites, by contrast, commit less than 2 percent of all shootings in New York City and 4 percent of all robberies, though they are nearly 34 percent of the population.)

New York City’s crime disparities are repeated in virtually all American metropolises. They will determine where officers are most often called to a drive-by shooting or an armed robbery, and where officers are most likely to face violent and resisting criminals — encounters which can lead to officers’ own use of deadly force. Police critics have never answered the question of what they think non-biased policing data should look like, in light of the vast differences in rates of criminal offending. Blacks commit homicide at nearly eight times the rate of whites and Hispanics combined. Black males between the ages of 14 and 17 commit gun homicide at nearly 10 times the rate of white and Hispanic male teens combined.
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In 2015, the police fatally shot 36 unarmed black males, according to The Washington Post’s typology, and 31 unarmed white males. The Post’s classification of victims as “unarmed” is literally accurate but sometimes misleading. The label can fail to convey the charged situation facing the officer who used deadly force.

At least five “unarmed” black victims had tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. One had the officer on the ground and was beating him on the head so violently, breaking bones and causing other injuries, as to risk the officer’s loss of consciousness.  At least five “unarmed” black victims had tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. One had the officer on the ground and was beating him on the head so violently, breaking bones and causing other injuries, as to risk the officer’s loss of consciousness.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #85 on: March 01, 2018, 09:22:51 am »
https://globalnews.ca/news/4052336/doug-ford-christine-elliott-poll/


This poll apparently actually had Patrick Brown with a slim lead. But he's not in the race, so we don't know where his support will go.

That sounds pretty dodgy... Brown had been well behind in the polls I had seen, just ahead of Anal Sex Lady.

It does seem like the **** vote has all consolidated around Ford while the normal people vote is being split right now.  If this is a single vote type dealie, then maybe Ford would win, but if they do a knockout-system like most leadership campaigns, I would think that votes split between Mulroney and Elliot would combine around one or the other to beat Ford.

It would be entertaining to have have more Ford shenanigans in the news. Ford NayyySHUN! Yah-Yah-YAAAAAAA! FORD NAYSHUNNN!  But Ontario is too important to Canada as a whole to have more shoddy leadership.  Hopefully somebody competent wins the PC race, defeats Wynne, and restores sane leadership to Canada's largest province.

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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #86 on: March 01, 2018, 09:25:25 am »
Watched some of yesterdays debate.  That Tanya Granic Allen is one savage mofo, a little bit too angry all the time with every question wtf.

Ford did surprisingly well since I despise the man.  The other 2 did decent too.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #87 on: March 01, 2018, 02:20:18 pm »
Anyone who would tout Harper as a good candidate a the time because of his experience and slag Trudeau is a complete hypocrite.

Who did that?
Why is Harper even in this topic anyway?

However, Harper was a lot smarter than Trudeau, better educated, more knowledgeable about political maneuvering, more experienced at organizing, and did not get his job merely because of daddy's name and good hair.

If Trudeau looked like Harper and had some other name we'd never have even heard of him.
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #88 on: March 01, 2018, 02:48:42 pm »
Who did that?
Why is Harper even in this topic anyway?

However, Harper was a lot smarter than Trudeau, better educated, more knowledgeable about political maneuvering, more experienced at organizing, and did not get his job merely because of daddy's name and good hair.

If Trudeau looked like Harper and had some other name we'd never have even heard of him.

Is there a way to block this guy somehow?

Seriously, this post is so childish....
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Re: Let the Caucus Pick the PC Ontario Leader ?
« Reply #89 on: March 01, 2018, 03:32:21 pm »
Who did that?
Why is Harper even in this topic anyway?

However, Harper was a lot smarter than Trudeau, better educated, more knowledgeable about political maneuvering, more experienced at organizing, and did not get his job merely because of daddy's name and good hair.

If Trudeau looked like Harper and had some other name we'd never have even heard of him.

Both men got their government jobs because the people of Canada voted for them. Harper got his first job because his uncle George managed to get him into the mail room at Imperial Oil.